1 00:01:05,440 --> 00:00:21,090 [Music] 2 00:01:10,610 --> 00:01:07,970 and good afternoon from Philadelphia 3 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:10,620 Frank here for a special Saturday 4 00:01:16,220 --> 00:01:14,250 edition of UFO News Network Sunday we've 5 00:01:20,330 --> 00:01:16,230 got a big show lined up for you today 6 00:01:24,110 --> 00:01:20,340 dean Alioto producer director of alien 7 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:24,120 abduction and also our UFO abduction and 8 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:27,210 also alien abduction incident in Lake 9 00:01:32,359 --> 00:01:29,490 County is with us today to talk all 10 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:32,369 about all about those experiences and 11 00:01:36,530 --> 00:01:34,770 his current work in the UFO field before 12 00:01:38,390 --> 00:01:36,540 we get to all that though I do want to 13 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:38,400 plug tomorrow's show it's another two 14 00:01:44,330 --> 00:01:40,290 for one weekend we've got tomorrow 15 00:01:46,310 --> 00:01:44,340 afternoon author of American cosmic dr. 16 00:01:49,010 --> 00:01:46,320 Diana Poe salka is going to be joining 17 00:01:51,590 --> 00:01:49,020 us to talk about her trip down the 18 00:01:53,660 --> 00:01:51,600 rabbit hole and her involvement in this 19 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:53,670 UFO craziness so that's gonna be a 20 00:01:57,469 --> 00:01:55,890 fantastic show too but let's not beat 21 00:01:59,630 --> 00:01:57,479 around the bush let's get to our guests 22 00:02:02,090 --> 00:01:59,640 and to bring him on I've got my clothes 23 00:02:03,230 --> 00:02:02,100 for the day the one and only chant had a 24 00:02:05,330 --> 00:02:03,240 good afternoon chant 25 00:02:07,460 --> 00:02:05,340 good afternoon Frank thank you for 26 00:02:09,859 --> 00:02:07,470 having me on we have a really special 27 00:02:12,770 --> 00:02:09,869 show today with an incredible person his 28 00:02:14,090 --> 00:02:12,780 name is Dean Alioto he studied film at 29 00:02:16,610 --> 00:02:14,100 both the University of Southern 30 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:16,620 California and San Francisco State 31 00:02:22,100 --> 00:02:19,290 University predating both the last prog 32 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:22,110 cast and the Blair Witch Project Ali 33 00:02:26,260 --> 00:02:23,970 Odo's found footage movie alien 34 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:26,270 abduction incident in Lake County 35 00:02:30,770 --> 00:02:28,770 featured a family being abducted by 36 00:02:33,110 --> 00:02:30,780 aliens as told from the point of view of 37 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:33,120 a family members home video camera the 38 00:02:36,290 --> 00:02:35,010 footage was purportedly found by a 39 00:02:39,350 --> 00:02:36,300 sheriff in Lake County 40 00:02:41,830 --> 00:02:39,360 uf abduction created in 1989 was written 41 00:02:44,990 --> 00:02:41,840 directed film to produce by Dean Alioto 42 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:45,000 through indecent kit productions the 43 00:02:50,630 --> 00:02:47,370 film presented as found footage similar 44 00:02:52,430 --> 00:02:50,640 to 1999 s the Blair Witch Project which 45 00:02:55,790 --> 00:02:52,440 presents the final recordings and 46 00:02:57,740 --> 00:02:55,800 last-known whereabouts of the van hees 47 00:03:00,650 --> 00:02:57,750 family just before they're abducted by 48 00:03:05,030 --> 00:03:00,660 extraterrestrials Dean Alioto produced 49 00:03:08,180 --> 00:03:05,040 his film using $6,500 Dean Alioto remade 50 00:03:11,810 --> 00:03:08,190 UFO abduction in 1997 which was later 51 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:11,820 released in January of 1998 for UPN TV 52 00:03:14,970 --> 00:03:14,130 with a larger budget and professional 53 00:03:17,070 --> 00:03:14,980 actors 54 00:03:20,580 --> 00:03:17,080 into alien abduction incident in Lake 55 00:03:22,830 --> 00:03:20,590 County also known as the McPherson tape 56 00:03:25,050 --> 00:03:22,840 according to Dean's website the iconic 57 00:03:27,149 --> 00:03:25,060 dr. Jacques suave called Dean's movie 58 00:03:29,460 --> 00:03:27,159 the most realistic alien abduction movie 59 00:03:32,039 --> 00:03:29,470 ever this movie has become a cult 60 00:03:35,580 --> 00:03:32,049 classic it has quite a cult following 61 00:03:37,229 --> 00:03:35,590 and is considered on one of the most one 62 00:03:39,259 --> 00:03:37,239 of the first found footage movies ever 63 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:39,269 which predates the last brought 64 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:41,170 broadcast and The Blair Witch Project 65 00:03:46,559 --> 00:03:44,290 movie a Liotta's theatrical film debut 66 00:03:49,380 --> 00:03:46,569 crashing Eden won several national and 67 00:03:52,140 --> 00:03:49,390 international awards this dark satire 68 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:52,150 was praised by variety singling out Ally 69 00:03:57,089 --> 00:03:53,890 odors writing and his ability to work 70 00:03:59,099 --> 00:03:57,099 with actors Alioto second film la Dix 71 00:04:01,349 --> 00:03:59,109 told a story of two Los Angeles 72 00:04:04,020 --> 00:04:01,359 detectives who pitched their will case 73 00:04:05,789 --> 00:04:04,030 real-life cases to Hollywood the film 74 00:04:07,740 --> 00:04:05,799 went on to receive the Spirit Award at 75 00:04:11,789 --> 00:04:07,750 the Toronto International rebel Fest 76 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:11,799 Film Festival and now it looks like Dean 77 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:14,530 Alioto is on to another project which 78 00:04:20,190 --> 00:04:17,370 he's currently working on called portal 79 00:04:22,469 --> 00:04:20,200 supernatural horror and dark comedy not 80 00:04:23,750 --> 00:04:22,479 quite finished yet but will be by the 81 00:04:27,330 --> 00:04:23,760 end of next month 82 00:04:30,750 --> 00:04:27,340 Dean welcome to the show thank you shot 83 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:30,760 and thank you Frank for having me on the 84 00:04:36,330 --> 00:04:34,090 show I'm very glad that you're with us 85 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:36,340 today I have a lot of questions for us 86 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:39,370 does rank could you please tell us about 87 00:04:47,060 --> 00:04:42,370 the original alien the UFO abduction 88 00:04:52,110 --> 00:04:47,070 movie on up to the we make of it sure 89 00:04:54,719 --> 00:04:52,120 the the impetus for it were was twofold 90 00:04:58,320 --> 00:04:54,729 first one was I need to make my first 91 00:05:02,120 --> 00:04:58,330 film by the age of 25 because all of my 92 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:02,130 idols had had filmmaking idols had from 93 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:06,610 Orson Welles to Spielberg Scorsese etc 94 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:09,490 and and so I was on the prowl for an 95 00:05:18,860 --> 00:05:13,570 idea and around that time I had read the 96 00:05:21,089 --> 00:05:18,870 book Communion and it it completely 97 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:21,099 terrified me I had been a big Stephen 98 00:05:26,790 --> 00:05:24,570 King fan but the fact that this was 99 00:05:28,469 --> 00:05:26,800 whether true or not the fact that it was 100 00:05:32,659 --> 00:05:28,479 believed by this respect 101 00:05:36,540 --> 00:05:32,669 author and was presenting the alien 102 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:36,550 experience interacting with aliens in in 103 00:05:41,339 --> 00:05:38,770 the what is you know become for me at 104 00:05:44,790 --> 00:05:41,349 that moment became the the kind of 105 00:05:47,459 --> 00:05:44,800 iconic example of an alien abduction was 106 00:05:51,119 --> 00:05:47,469 just mind-blowing and so I had read that 107 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:51,129 and along my life as a kid I remember 108 00:05:57,749 --> 00:05:55,770 seeing um I think was called the UFO 109 00:06:00,029 --> 00:05:57,759 incident or the Barney and Betty Hill 110 00:06:02,339 --> 00:06:00,039 incident interrupt the journey which was 111 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:02,349 the TV movie with James Earl Jones and 112 00:06:05,670 --> 00:06:04,210 Estelle Parsons that's a guy movie 113 00:06:08,010 --> 00:06:05,680 that's a really good movie 114 00:06:10,890 --> 00:06:08,020 yeah yeah it's very well acted isn't it 115 00:06:12,570 --> 00:06:10,900 yeah absolutely and that was actually 116 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:12,580 the first time that we saw the small 117 00:06:18,450 --> 00:06:15,849 gray head headed aliens with the big 118 00:06:20,670 --> 00:06:18,460 eyes almond-shaped eyes and then close 119 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:20,680 encounter that was in 74 and then Close 120 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:24,330 Encounters in 77 and so those two films 121 00:06:32,610 --> 00:06:27,610 just really kind of tapped into to my 122 00:06:35,010 --> 00:06:32,620 whole imagination and as a kid growing 123 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:35,020 up you know divorced parents living away 124 00:06:38,820 --> 00:06:36,370 from my brothers there was a period of 125 00:06:41,249 --> 00:06:38,830 three years where I was just with my 126 00:06:42,779 --> 00:06:41,259 father and I remember in Sacramento 127 00:06:44,249 --> 00:06:42,789 looking out through the window and just 128 00:06:46,019 --> 00:06:44,259 staring at the stars knowing that 129 00:06:49,820 --> 00:06:46,029 there's something more than what we have 130 00:06:52,980 --> 00:06:49,830 here and here were films that were 131 00:06:56,579 --> 00:06:52,990 telling us that yes actually there are 132 00:06:58,439 --> 00:06:56,589 and and so I always had interest in 133 00:07:00,179 --> 00:06:58,449 esoteric things such as you know Loch 134 00:07:02,820 --> 00:07:00,189 Ness monster Bigfoot stuff like that 135 00:07:05,550 --> 00:07:02,830 Bermuda Triangle and and but I kept 136 00:07:09,540 --> 00:07:05,560 coming back to the alien abduction thing 137 00:07:12,119 --> 00:07:09,550 and in sci-fi in general and so flash 138 00:07:16,139 --> 00:07:12,129 forward many years later I'm about 23 24 139 00:07:18,239 --> 00:07:16,149 and and so I see this this kind of 140 00:07:21,300 --> 00:07:18,249 deadline that I've set for myself as a 141 00:07:25,639 --> 00:07:21,310 filmmaker and so after reading the book 142 00:07:27,749 --> 00:07:25,649 communion I had seen that and I was 143 00:07:31,139 --> 00:07:27,759 talking to a friend of mine who said 144 00:07:32,369 --> 00:07:31,149 that he wanted to be a producer and you 145 00:07:34,589 --> 00:07:32,379 know knew as a filmmaker I wanted to 146 00:07:36,329 --> 00:07:34,599 throw in some money and I said well 147 00:07:39,089 --> 00:07:36,339 great well how much do you have to you 148 00:07:41,260 --> 00:07:39,099 know to do this this first film he said 149 00:07:43,930 --> 00:07:41,270 well I've got 6,500 bucks 150 00:07:47,470 --> 00:07:43,940 hahaha yeah and I did exactly that I 151 00:07:50,260 --> 00:07:47,480 laughed I was like okay alright well 152 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:50,270 thank you but no I don't think I can do 153 00:07:56,410 --> 00:07:55,250 that and then I was on a and in fact I 154 00:07:58,480 --> 00:07:56,420 made a joke I said the only thing I 155 00:08:00,370 --> 00:07:58,490 could do with that is you know shoot a 156 00:08:03,790 --> 00:08:00,380 home video and I'm trying to make a 157 00:08:06,670 --> 00:08:03,800 movie and and then a week later I was 158 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:06,680 flying from San Francisco to LA to do a 159 00:08:12,820 --> 00:08:09,410 pitch and I was as I was flying out I 160 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:12,830 was on the tarmac and it was it was you 161 00:08:16,690 --> 00:08:14,690 know we said we call a magic hour and 162 00:08:19,810 --> 00:08:16,700 the flight was delayed on the tarmac 163 00:08:22,660 --> 00:08:19,820 waiting their magic hour terms into dusk 164 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:22,670 which turns into night and we started 165 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:26,330 taking off and we're kind of chasing 166 00:08:30,070 --> 00:08:28,730 along the horizon and we see as the 167 00:08:31,930 --> 00:08:30,080 sun's going down one side the other side 168 00:08:34,450 --> 00:08:31,940 it's dark and for some reason I look 169 00:08:36,340 --> 00:08:34,460 down as I was flying leaving my town 170 00:08:38,740 --> 00:08:36,350 that I you know grew up in Burlingame 171 00:08:41,530 --> 00:08:38,750 which is next to these San Francisco 172 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:41,540 Airport and I thought wow what if this 173 00:08:48,190 --> 00:08:44,770 is the last time that I was seeing a 174 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:48,200 planet I was being taken and I thought 175 00:08:52,300 --> 00:08:50,450 and I'm looking out there from the you 176 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:52,310 know the the window the portal of the 177 00:08:57,730 --> 00:08:54,770 plane and I thought how do I capture 178 00:09:00,430 --> 00:08:57,740 this moment this view and just this this 179 00:09:03,250 --> 00:09:00,440 idea of being taken and then it hit on 180 00:09:05,470 --> 00:09:03,260 me that you only can do that is if you 181 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:05,480 have someone who you know experiences 182 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:07,370 this and do it through their camera and 183 00:09:12,010 --> 00:09:09,770 so I called him the next day and my 184 00:09:13,450 --> 00:09:12,020 buddy and I said hey we're gonna do it 185 00:09:15,490 --> 00:09:13,460 we're gonna make a home video and he's 186 00:09:17,230 --> 00:09:15,500 like yeah right I go no no seriously and 187 00:09:19,750 --> 00:09:17,240 I laid it out for him it's gonna be you 188 00:09:22,450 --> 00:09:19,760 know a family don't be up in the hills 189 00:09:26,710 --> 00:09:22,460 in a nice little secluded home slash 190 00:09:30,550 --> 00:09:26,720 cabin they'll be gathering for a family 191 00:09:35,140 --> 00:09:30,560 member's fifth birthday party and this 192 00:09:37,210 --> 00:09:35,150 kid just bought himself a new video 193 00:09:38,890 --> 00:09:37,220 camera Betamax camera after his father 194 00:09:40,060 --> 00:09:38,900 recently passed away so there's a loss 195 00:09:41,950 --> 00:09:40,070 in the family so there's kind of a 196 00:09:43,390 --> 00:09:41,960 little fallout from that so he took his 197 00:09:45,010 --> 00:09:43,400 inheritance whatever you had a little 198 00:09:46,690 --> 00:09:45,020 bit he bought this expensive camera 199 00:09:51,430 --> 00:09:46,700 which the other brothers aren't too 200 00:09:53,770 --> 00:09:51,440 happy about and and so they experienced 201 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:53,780 a blackout the brothers go out to 202 00:09:57,220 --> 00:09:55,010 investigate 203 00:10:00,430 --> 00:09:57,230 they see a ship and aliens and one by 204 00:10:02,439 --> 00:10:00,440 one they get abducted and and we shot 205 00:10:05,439 --> 00:10:02,449 this all the conceit was to do it all in 206 00:10:08,319 --> 00:10:05,449 one night have it be like a beach sheet 207 00:10:10,210 --> 00:10:08,329 and and you know I wrote out all the 208 00:10:12,910 --> 00:10:10,220 scenes that were gonna happen and then 209 00:10:13,900 --> 00:10:12,920 there was you know room for across the 210 00:10:16,030 --> 00:10:13,910 board the whole thing was pretty much 211 00:10:18,129 --> 00:10:16,040 improvised based on the rehearsals that 212 00:10:22,420 --> 00:10:18,139 we did I generated you know something of 213 00:10:24,100 --> 00:10:22,430 a treatment and then and again all of 214 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:24,110 the ship designs and the aliens are all 215 00:10:28,300 --> 00:10:26,570 taken from drawings and articles that I 216 00:10:31,750 --> 00:10:28,310 could find about people who have claimed 217 00:10:33,759 --> 00:10:31,760 to been abducted and so I tried to keep 218 00:10:36,189 --> 00:10:33,769 it to the letter of law of you know how 219 00:10:40,150 --> 00:10:36,199 everything went down and so it was kind 220 00:10:41,500 --> 00:10:40,160 of my way of experiencing something that 221 00:10:46,300 --> 00:10:41,510 I don't know that I ever want to 222 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:46,310 experience and and show us firsthand of 223 00:10:51,129 --> 00:10:49,250 what that must be like and so that's how 224 00:10:53,110 --> 00:10:51,139 it came about and that's just to jump in 225 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:53,120 here really quick the aliens and the 226 00:10:59,199 --> 00:10:55,810 ship look pretty darn good for such a 227 00:11:01,449 --> 00:10:59,209 low budget were you a little bit 228 00:11:02,710 --> 00:11:01,459 intimidated obviously the finished 229 00:11:04,540 --> 00:11:02,720 product looked fine you should be very 230 00:11:06,790 --> 00:11:04,550 happy with it there considering you know 231 00:11:09,220 --> 00:11:06,800 what you got for what you spent but 232 00:11:10,689 --> 00:11:09,230 going into that was that would seem to 233 00:11:12,939 --> 00:11:10,699 me like maybe the biggest sticking point 234 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:12,949 making some kind of credible looking 235 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:16,730 aliens which look very good and you know 236 00:11:20,740 --> 00:11:18,170 maybe they wouldn't have looked quite so 237 00:11:23,019 --> 00:11:20,750 good under you know real full lighting 238 00:11:25,900 --> 00:11:23,029 and all that but the way it was shot the 239 00:11:29,290 --> 00:11:25,910 ship and the aliens they look just fine 240 00:11:32,019 --> 00:11:29,300 they look fantastic well that credit 241 00:11:34,540 --> 00:11:32,029 goes to Bill Bowes who's a production 242 00:11:36,220 --> 00:11:34,550 designer and he would go on to do the 243 00:11:38,079 --> 00:11:36,230 Scooby Doo films and do the first 244 00:11:40,710 --> 00:11:38,089 Fantastic Four films he also worked with 245 00:11:43,689 --> 00:11:40,720 Tim Burton on James and the Giant Peach 246 00:11:46,750 --> 00:11:43,699 extremely talented guy that I had met a 247 00:11:49,389 --> 00:11:46,760 couple years before I made the film and 248 00:11:50,829 --> 00:11:49,399 I knew he could pull it off I had great 249 00:11:53,439 --> 00:11:50,839 confidence in him he also worked on 250 00:11:58,150 --> 00:11:53,449 Robocop and I've seen him generate 251 00:12:02,290 --> 00:11:58,160 amazing special effects practical 252 00:12:04,269 --> 00:12:02,300 effects and so the biggest dress was 253 00:12:06,670 --> 00:12:04,279 that we needed to have this all happen 254 00:12:08,620 --> 00:12:06,680 within a certain time frame his budget 255 00:12:11,620 --> 00:12:08,630 was only 750 bucks 256 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:11,630 and I remember when we got out to the 257 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:13,490 set the only moment where I was like oh 258 00:12:19,090 --> 00:12:16,250 no this this might not this might not 259 00:12:23,199 --> 00:12:19,100 happen if we get out to the set and he's 260 00:12:26,139 --> 00:12:23,209 got sheet wood and he's got some two by 261 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:26,149 fours and he's got foam core which is 262 00:12:30,490 --> 00:12:28,850 basically kind of like sheet would the 263 00:12:33,370 --> 00:12:30,500 the the dimensions have she would but 264 00:12:36,220 --> 00:12:33,380 what it is if it's like a kind of like 265 00:12:38,889 --> 00:12:36,230 styrofoam thin inside of it on one side 266 00:12:40,329 --> 00:12:38,899 it's usually black on the other sides 267 00:12:43,030 --> 00:12:40,339 white we're using the film business or 268 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:43,040 photographers you use it to reflect 269 00:12:47,350 --> 00:12:45,290 light into it to bounce it off but it's 270 00:12:48,999 --> 00:12:47,360 basically like cardboard and so he shows 271 00:12:50,980 --> 00:12:49,009 up with that and I'm like you know he's 272 00:12:54,370 --> 00:12:50,990 got a few little trinkets stuff that you 273 00:12:55,990 --> 00:12:54,380 know an old vacuum hose and stuff like 274 00:12:57,610 --> 00:12:56,000 that and I'm just scratching my head 275 00:12:59,860 --> 00:12:57,620 going I don't I don't get how this is 276 00:13:03,280 --> 00:12:59,870 going to become a ship that's supposed 277 00:13:05,319 --> 00:13:03,290 to be 12 feet high and so he goes here 278 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:05,329 and he measures off and he starts having 279 00:13:09,449 --> 00:13:07,490 me cut the foam core into triangles and 280 00:13:13,449 --> 00:13:09,459 so I'm doing that while he's building 281 00:13:15,249 --> 00:13:13,459 one platform then he builds another one 282 00:13:16,689 --> 00:13:15,259 and so he's got all these sections going 283 00:13:18,780 --> 00:13:16,699 up and there's like maybe four of these 284 00:13:20,949 --> 00:13:18,790 things or five of these things and 285 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:20,959 they're the starts are kind of small and 286 00:13:24,519 --> 00:13:22,250 then gets a little bit fatter and then 287 00:13:25,780 --> 00:13:24,529 goes up and then he takes this squares 288 00:13:29,980 --> 00:13:25,790 and it goes alright now we're going to 289 00:13:36,519 --> 00:13:29,990 staple gun these on around from you know 290 00:13:39,429 --> 00:13:36,529 bridging each you know layer level like 291 00:13:41,379 --> 00:13:39,439 little mini floor to the next one so 292 00:13:43,329 --> 00:13:41,389 each bit of you know sheet would that's 293 00:13:45,939 --> 00:13:43,339 foam that's that's framing the core if 294 00:13:47,590 --> 00:13:45,949 you can imagine this we're now putting 295 00:13:50,170 --> 00:13:47,600 an outside skin on it that's just made 296 00:13:52,990 --> 00:13:50,180 of this foam core stuff and then he gets 297 00:13:55,509 --> 00:13:53,000 white tape and we taped all the seams 298 00:13:57,550 --> 00:13:55,519 and he's just he's what's brilliant 299 00:14:00,280 --> 00:13:57,560 about Bill is he knew that it would read 300 00:14:02,769 --> 00:14:00,290 for camera it might not you know up 301 00:14:06,009 --> 00:14:02,779 close but it doesn't have to right and 302 00:14:07,929 --> 00:14:06,019 so then you know we took that and we put 303 00:14:10,090 --> 00:14:07,939 some holes in the top around it and put 304 00:14:11,590 --> 00:14:10,100 some light in and then gave it a little 305 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:11,600 bit of backlight and put a little bit of 306 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:13,850 smoke and then he when he put all these 307 00:14:18,250 --> 00:14:16,610 little trinkets that I got I don't know 308 00:14:21,819 --> 00:14:18,260 if it got them from like you know the 309 00:14:23,379 --> 00:14:21,829 you know the dump or whatever but 310 00:14:25,419 --> 00:14:23,389 it always little hoses and stuff and put 311 00:14:29,619 --> 00:14:25,429 those in and it just came a life you 312 00:14:30,879 --> 00:14:29,629 know came to life that day so that was 313 00:14:33,429 --> 00:14:30,889 you know I give him all the you know 314 00:14:36,129 --> 00:14:33,439 credit for that and then them that you 315 00:14:37,929 --> 00:14:36,139 know the masks he created and then hands 316 00:14:39,460 --> 00:14:37,939 the only thing that's left right now are 317 00:14:44,229 --> 00:14:39,470 the hands I have one pair of the hands 318 00:14:46,090 --> 00:14:44,239 the the masks all deteriorated but the 319 00:14:49,929 --> 00:14:46,100 rubber that are used for the hand hands 320 00:14:51,850 --> 00:14:49,939 still works but that is in the kids that 321 00:14:53,739 --> 00:14:51,860 played the actual aliens you know they 322 00:14:56,079 --> 00:14:53,749 get the other half of the credit because 323 00:14:58,239 --> 00:14:56,089 they had to walk out there with these 324 00:15:00,759 --> 00:14:58,249 costumes and these helmets basically 325 00:15:02,410 --> 00:15:00,769 that you couldn't really see Atta and so 326 00:15:05,710 --> 00:15:02,420 they all had to walk in unison and look 327 00:15:08,470 --> 00:15:05,720 and hit all this stuff and you know they 328 00:15:11,319 --> 00:15:08,480 killed it they did great it was a very 329 00:15:13,449 --> 00:15:11,329 effective scene it really was I wanted 330 00:15:16,329 --> 00:15:13,459 to I mention some of the influences you 331 00:15:18,789 --> 00:15:16,339 had early on you already mentioned a few 332 00:15:20,379 --> 00:15:18,799 of them which was communion which was a 333 00:15:21,729 --> 00:15:20,389 huge book for you recounting what 334 00:15:24,609 --> 00:15:21,739 happened to Whitley Strieber 335 00:15:26,470 --> 00:15:24,619 the TV show in search of Close 336 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:26,480 Encounters of the Third Kind and the 337 00:15:30,220 --> 00:15:28,850 Betty and Barney Hill story a third of 338 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:30,230 what you've written is UFO and 339 00:15:35,139 --> 00:15:33,170 extraterrestrial related Dean again you 340 00:15:37,150 --> 00:15:35,149 also gravitated towards books that were 341 00:15:39,309 --> 00:15:37,160 outside of the reality you had as a kid 342 00:15:41,379 --> 00:15:39,319 would it be safe to assume you'll always 343 00:15:44,259 --> 00:15:41,389 be exploring this kind of phenomena as a 344 00:15:52,869 --> 00:15:44,269 filmmaker will always be part of your 345 00:15:55,539 --> 00:15:52,879 repertoire I think so I I don't know why 346 00:15:57,639 --> 00:15:55,549 I'm so drawn to it I mean the 347 00:16:01,720 --> 00:15:57,649 fantastical I think when you're a 348 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:01,730 divorced kid the idea of anything other 349 00:16:06,669 --> 00:16:04,490 than reality is appealing because your 350 00:16:10,030 --> 00:16:06,679 reality at that time going through the 351 00:16:12,119 --> 00:16:10,040 divorce and you know the kind of fallout 352 00:16:14,230 --> 00:16:12,129 and collateral damage after you know 353 00:16:16,119 --> 00:16:14,240 leaves you with a lot of time on your 354 00:16:17,049 --> 00:16:16,129 hand now this is before smartphones and 355 00:16:19,479 --> 00:16:17,059 stuff like that there were no 356 00:16:22,239 --> 00:16:19,489 distractions you were you know just 357 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:22,249 there in the moment and so I think that 358 00:16:27,579 --> 00:16:25,610 it always it'll always be with me 359 00:16:30,669 --> 00:16:27,589 because you know as we get more 360 00:16:33,699 --> 00:16:30,679 information this gets updated you know 361 00:16:35,109 --> 00:16:33,709 and and as it's a narrative a film you 362 00:16:35,650 --> 00:16:35,119 know having done the first film footage 363 00:16:37,500 --> 00:16:35,660 film 364 00:16:40,510 --> 00:16:37,510 I didn't know I was creating a new 365 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:40,520 narrative it was just out of budgetary 366 00:16:44,860 --> 00:16:43,250 means really you know I kind of felt 367 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:44,870 like okay why no this is kind of 368 00:16:50,230 --> 00:16:48,170 gimmicky but it was you know cinéma 369 00:16:51,940 --> 00:16:50,240 vérité just trying to present something 370 00:16:54,790 --> 00:16:51,950 as realistic as possible and not 371 00:16:57,730 --> 00:16:54,800 worrying about the conventions cinema so 372 00:16:59,740 --> 00:16:57,740 I would say that that as long as I can 373 00:17:01,870 --> 00:16:59,750 find ways to do that as a filmmaker 374 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:01,880 inventive ways and I can shed new light 375 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:06,050 on it i I want to continue exploring 376 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:09,050 that I've already got you know a few 377 00:17:15,939 --> 00:17:13,730 scripts written that that that I want to 378 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:15,949 do coming up here next one of them is 379 00:17:20,439 --> 00:17:18,170 actually a documentary as well and so 380 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:20,449 two documentaries and so once I start 381 00:17:22,900 --> 00:17:21,530 doing that and see how the audience 382 00:17:24,970 --> 00:17:22,910 reacts and everything that'll kind of 383 00:17:28,870 --> 00:17:24,980 dictate where I go from there but I I 384 00:17:31,330 --> 00:17:28,880 have a soft spot you know for them it's 385 00:17:35,590 --> 00:17:31,340 funny one of the thing about these 386 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:35,600 podcasts is that you know coast to coast 387 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:38,330 I found myself listening to that and 388 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:41,930 when I was having insomnia I remember 389 00:17:48,940 --> 00:17:47,210 using it as kind of a way to help me 390 00:17:50,470 --> 00:17:48,950 fall asleep because it reminded me when 391 00:17:52,780 --> 00:17:50,480 I was a kid you know when you would hear 392 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:52,790 parents talking or your parents would 393 00:17:56,230 --> 00:17:54,410 have guests over and you'd hear them 394 00:17:58,060 --> 00:17:56,240 downstairs talking and laughing and 395 00:18:01,480 --> 00:17:58,070 having to communicate and you'd fall 396 00:18:04,060 --> 00:18:01,490 asleep to that and mm-hmm and so that 397 00:18:05,890 --> 00:18:04,070 really kind of got me back into it then 398 00:18:08,140 --> 00:18:05,900 when I started listening to more and 399 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:08,150 more it reinvigorated so I keep it's the 400 00:18:12,490 --> 00:18:10,010 cyclical thing with me so the short 401 00:18:14,950 --> 00:18:12,500 answer which I did not give you is that 402 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:14,960 it's something that's always in my orbit 403 00:18:19,900 --> 00:18:18,050 I think I will always be playing in that 404 00:18:21,700 --> 00:18:19,910 in that world and trying to find you 405 00:18:24,220 --> 00:18:21,710 know the truth now thank you 406 00:18:26,710 --> 00:18:24,230 yeah let me get this one in real quick 407 00:18:28,660 --> 00:18:26,720 here chant you would talked about the 408 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:28,670 change in technology since the late 409 00:18:33,250 --> 00:18:30,410 eighties when you made the original film 410 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:33,260 one thing now this podcast is streaming 411 00:18:36,580 --> 00:18:34,730 live that people can listen to it right 412 00:18:37,990 --> 00:18:36,590 this minute or they could pick it up 413 00:18:40,150 --> 00:18:38,000 later if they they go over to the 414 00:18:41,230 --> 00:18:40,160 YouTube channel anybody on the face of 415 00:18:44,620 --> 00:18:41,240 the planet with an internet connection 416 00:18:46,540 --> 00:18:44,630 has access to this you did not have that 417 00:18:47,670 --> 00:18:46,550 kind of an advantage when you made the 418 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:47,680 original film 419 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:50,410 um how did you get that how did you get 420 00:18:53,820 --> 00:18:51,730 the film out how did it get any 421 00:18:58,170 --> 00:18:53,830 attention at all 422 00:19:01,080 --> 00:18:58,180 well it didn't originally because 423 00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:01,090 basically we made a home video and so we 424 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:04,240 drove down my executive producer name we 425 00:19:11,070 --> 00:19:07,810 drove down to Los Angeles and pitched it 426 00:19:13,770 --> 00:19:11,080 to everyone we would show a five minute 427 00:19:15,420 --> 00:19:13,780 little trailer and everyone said the 428 00:19:18,990 --> 00:19:15,430 same thing you know which was basically 429 00:19:22,110 --> 00:19:19,000 what the hell is this why are you taking 430 00:19:24,660 --> 00:19:22,120 up my time with this weirdness come back 431 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:24,670 when you've made a real movie Punk I had 432 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:26,890 I had one woman just go off on me and 433 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:30,010 and then we had you know one meeting at 434 00:19:33,900 --> 00:19:32,050 that we had her last meeting that at the 435 00:19:35,580 --> 00:19:33,910 end of the three days that were in town 436 00:19:37,620 --> 00:19:35,590 have you showed him the money shot she 437 00:19:42,150 --> 00:19:37,630 showed him the aliens and the shim - yes 438 00:19:47,220 --> 00:19:42,160 Oh everything okay good thing it's good 439 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:47,230 to be the first with some something but 440 00:19:53,100 --> 00:19:49,210 it's it's not good to be ahead of the 441 00:19:55,620 --> 00:19:53,110 curve to a degree that it's it's not 442 00:20:00,240 --> 00:19:55,630 there's no it hasn't hit the zeitgeist 443 00:20:02,010 --> 00:20:00,250 yet and this was ten years too early not 444 00:20:03,390 --> 00:20:02,020 just one year ten years blood which 445 00:20:10,770 --> 00:20:03,400 didn't come out till ten years later and 446 00:20:13,050 --> 00:20:10,780 so it was it was something that that I I 447 00:20:14,790 --> 00:20:13,060 knew was a kind of a tough sell but I 448 00:20:17,070 --> 00:20:14,800 thought they would you know take and go 449 00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:17,080 my god this is you know fun and original 450 00:20:22,170 --> 00:20:18,640 and let's see what let's just see what 451 00:20:24,750 --> 00:20:22,180 happens no so we get back home really 452 00:20:28,740 --> 00:20:24,760 discouraged and then we get a call from 453 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:28,750 the last person that we met with his 454 00:20:34,530 --> 00:20:32,890 name was a Kavanagh Declan Kavanagh and 455 00:20:37,890 --> 00:20:34,540 he had a company called legacy home 456 00:20:41,670 --> 00:20:37,900 entertainment and they said hey we'll 457 00:20:44,580 --> 00:20:41,680 take a run at this and that's what they 458 00:20:47,370 --> 00:20:44,590 did and so I called them a month later 459 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:47,380 and said hey how's it going and I said I 460 00:20:52,290 --> 00:20:49,330 haven't heard anything from you guys and 461 00:20:56,810 --> 00:20:52,300 he said oh well that's because the 462 00:20:59,340 --> 00:20:56,820 warehouse burned out and I said wait 463 00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:59,350 your your office no no no the warehouse 464 00:21:01,529 --> 00:21:01,360 we have all the films and stuff and I'm 465 00:22:34,440 --> 00:21:01,539 a 466 00:22:37,049 --> 00:22:34,450 UFO Congress convention were Tom Dongo 467 00:22:40,019 --> 00:22:37,059 reported that it was authentic and 468 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:40,029 Lieutenant Colonel Don we're back that 469 00:22:45,810 --> 00:22:43,090 up and so the fallout from that was 470 00:22:49,710 --> 00:22:45,820 Shawn calling me saying unsolved 471 00:22:51,509 --> 00:22:49,720 mysteries and and hard copy and this Fox 472 00:22:54,330 --> 00:22:51,519 show called Encounters all want to do a 473 00:22:55,619 --> 00:22:54,340 story on us and add a little funny side 474 00:22:57,659 --> 00:22:55,629 note as I said okay well I guess 475 00:23:00,389 --> 00:22:57,669 unsolved mysteries is out because they 476 00:23:04,469 --> 00:23:00,399 only deal with mysteries and Shawn goes 477 00:23:07,889 --> 00:23:04,479 not necessarily it's like no no this has 478 00:23:11,580 --> 00:23:07,899 been solved so we went with the big Fox 479 00:23:14,190 --> 00:23:11,590 show Encounters and as you know this 480 00:23:15,930 --> 00:23:14,200 this you know greatest UFO hoax 481 00:23:18,539 --> 00:23:15,940 you know same 482 00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:18,549 and and then that was the first time 483 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:20,559 that I really kind of knew what was 484 00:23:25,980 --> 00:23:22,090 going on with it and didn't know too 485 00:23:28,860 --> 00:23:25,990 much about the UFO community as a whole 486 00:23:30,749 --> 00:23:28,870 and and then I started getting phone 487 00:23:33,919 --> 00:23:30,759 calls again this is before the internet 488 00:23:36,899 --> 00:23:33,929 so I started getting phone calls from 489 00:23:40,019 --> 00:23:36,909 ufo-ologists and people just interested 490 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:40,029 from all times of the day and night from 491 00:23:44,999 --> 00:23:42,490 as far away as you know Brazil and Japan 492 00:23:46,619 --> 00:23:45,009 and everything wanting to to see this 493 00:23:48,029 --> 00:23:46,629 this thing that they all believed it was 494 00:23:50,220 --> 00:23:48,039 real and I kept telling them it's not 495 00:23:53,249 --> 00:23:50,230 and they said okay well let me see it 496 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:53,259 let me judge for myself and so that went 497 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:54,850 on for a few years and they were so 498 00:23:59,999 --> 00:23:57,330 striking about it and sure of themselves 499 00:24:02,700 --> 00:24:00,009 that I actually and I had been offered 500 00:24:06,180 --> 00:24:02,710 to go to conventions before and I was a 501 00:24:08,039 --> 00:24:06,190 little bit nervous about that because I 502 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:08,049 didn't I didn't know what I was stepping 503 00:24:12,450 --> 00:24:10,450 into and in fact I remember going to a 504 00:24:14,850 --> 00:24:12,460 little mini conference that was in San 505 00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:14,860 Francisco and next to the airport I 506 00:24:18,810 --> 00:24:17,049 remember going in there and they were 507 00:24:20,519 --> 00:24:18,820 showing this UFO that was circling 508 00:24:23,100 --> 00:24:20,529 around this plane this little orb thing 509 00:24:24,779 --> 00:24:23,110 and I'm a filmmaker and I looked at and 510 00:24:26,700 --> 00:24:24,789 I said oh this is a lens flare watch how 511 00:24:29,310 --> 00:24:26,710 the color changes here and how it kind 512 00:24:32,610 --> 00:24:29,320 of it it's translucent here and then it 513 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:32,620 comes back around that is you know 514 00:24:36,570 --> 00:24:34,330 that's a lens flare and I can show you 515 00:24:38,669 --> 00:24:36,580 as iliyan examples of that and everyone 516 00:24:41,879 --> 00:24:38,679 turned around and looked at me like you 517 00:24:45,389 --> 00:24:41,889 know who is this you know this outsider 518 00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:45,399 and this debater and and I think that's 519 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:46,809 probably not the best forum to do it 520 00:24:50,460 --> 00:24:49,090 there's a better way to deliver that but 521 00:24:51,779 --> 00:24:50,470 it was a small little group and 522 00:24:54,330 --> 00:24:51,789 everything and they were you know there 523 00:24:56,159 --> 00:24:54,340 for that for that fain and and and maybe 524 00:24:58,440 --> 00:24:56,169 I was too dismissive and so that was my 525 00:25:02,369 --> 00:24:58,450 representation of every single UFO 526 00:25:04,860 --> 00:25:02,379 convention in the world like you know 527 00:25:07,499 --> 00:25:04,870 didn't do anything about that but anyway 528 00:25:09,629 --> 00:25:07,509 that's kind of were the first one the 529 00:25:14,879 --> 00:25:09,639 first movie I did played out that kind 530 00:25:17,399 --> 00:25:14,889 of wrapped up that history on on on that 531 00:25:20,220 --> 00:25:17,409 deena UFO Congress for the 25th 532 00:25:23,159 --> 00:25:20,230 anniversary showing of your film you're 533 00:25:25,950 --> 00:25:23,169 revealed never seen before footage of 534 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:25,960 the movie what was the reaction from the 535 00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,530 audience can you explain their reaction 536 00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:31,840 having seen this footage for the very 537 00:25:38,730 --> 00:25:33,520 first time that you revealed to the 538 00:25:41,610 --> 00:25:38,740 public yeah well the footage it was it 539 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:41,620 was very close to what we had I went 540 00:25:45,630 --> 00:25:43,210 back to the originals and I digitally 541 00:25:47,550 --> 00:25:45,640 remastered it and up rezzed it so 542 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:47,560 because I didn't want to go in there and 543 00:25:54,750 --> 00:25:51,930 change what has you know become a film 544 00:25:56,820 --> 00:25:54,760 that is followed by a lot of people I 545 00:25:58,260 --> 00:25:56,830 didn't want to mess with with that 546 00:26:00,780 --> 00:25:58,270 version and do like a director's cut 547 00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:00,790 because my cut was a director's cut what 548 00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:02,320 I did do is I included the behind the 549 00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:04,480 scenes stuff and at the convention I 550 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:07,600 showed just two finally because there's 551 00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:08,890 still people that believe that the 552 00:26:14,970 --> 00:26:12,130 original you know here's what they 553 00:26:17,820 --> 00:26:14,980 here's what the the prevalent conspiracy 554 00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:17,830 theory is it's that the remake I did for 555 00:26:25,620 --> 00:26:22,510 you pan is accepted by most people as 556 00:26:28,590 --> 00:26:25,630 being a remake and not being real but 557 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:28,600 they believe that a lot of people 558 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:31,050 believe that the original Israel and 559 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:34,330 that to kind of throw people off I was 560 00:26:38,930 --> 00:26:35,890 maybe co-opted by the government or 561 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:38,940 whatever to do a remake to kind of 562 00:26:45,570 --> 00:26:43,930 discredit the original and so you're 563 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:45,580 you're confirming officially here that 564 00:26:54,170 --> 00:26:49,090 that is not the case correct yes so to 565 00:26:57,810 --> 00:26:54,180 put this to rest I showed the audition 566 00:27:00,300 --> 00:26:57,820 the mother in the original UFO abduction 567 00:27:05,130 --> 00:27:00,310 and she tells this great story about her 568 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:05,140 seeing her own UFO in Oklahoma and which 569 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:07,090 in part was probably why she got the gig 570 00:27:12,570 --> 00:27:09,010 I mean she she's a great actress 571 00:27:14,610 --> 00:27:12,580 but yeah so showed that and everyone it 572 00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,620 was like oh my god okay alright I get it 573 00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:16,240 and then they can kind of sit back and 574 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:19,510 then take it in as this film that ahead 575 00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:22,450 of you know most the other films that 576 00:27:26,550 --> 00:27:24,910 followed later that that I had you know 577 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:26,560 delved into what that experience was 578 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:29,290 like and you know for the first time 579 00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:34,570 cinematically and and so the reaction 580 00:27:39,210 --> 00:27:36,640 was great and everyone laughed and had 581 00:27:42,060 --> 00:27:39,220 fun with it I got to tell you speaking 582 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:42,070 that you know Alejandro Rojas some was 583 00:27:45,330 --> 00:27:43,330 like you know come to the festival 584 00:27:46,530 --> 00:27:45,340 you know or come to the convention we're 585 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:46,540 gonna do this big anniversary thing 586 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:48,490 it'll be fun you'll speak for 75 minutes 587 00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:50,650 and then you know but everyone's cool 588 00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:52,260 and I'm like wait back up what you say 589 00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:55,510 75 minutes not gonna do a Q&A and egos 590 00:28:01,860 --> 00:27:58,090 no no no it's it's more of a lecture and 591 00:28:05,070 --> 00:28:01,870 I'm like okay what a lecture I got to 592 00:28:06,750 --> 00:28:05,080 talk for 75 minutes that's great yeah 593 00:28:08,220 --> 00:28:06,760 yeah yeah everyone does it it'll be 594 00:28:11,330 --> 00:28:08,230 terrific I'm sure there's a lot to say 595 00:28:14,340 --> 00:28:11,340 about this and I'm going holy crap okay 596 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:14,350 I think there's gonna be 30 people will 597 00:28:21,570 --> 00:28:16,570 know it's close to a thousand people oh 598 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:21,580 my god and and so I'm you know I'm I'm I 599 00:28:24,750 --> 00:28:23,650 go okay all right we'll give it a shiny 600 00:28:27,300 --> 00:28:24,760 side no no no this is they've got a 601 00:28:29,340 --> 00:28:27,310 great sense of humor trust me for good 602 00:28:30,990 --> 00:28:29,350 about all your fears that you have these 603 00:28:32,460 --> 00:28:31,000 people you know I said well all right 604 00:28:36,060 --> 00:28:32,470 I'm gonna do it but I'm gonna bring 605 00:28:39,150 --> 00:28:36,070 levity to it because this this genre or 606 00:28:42,420 --> 00:28:39,160 this phenomena needs levity like 607 00:28:45,060 --> 00:28:42,430 everything you know Stephen Hawkins had 608 00:28:46,860 --> 00:28:45,070 a helluva since a humor so did Albert 609 00:28:51,270 --> 00:28:46,870 Einstein and so it's like alright let's 610 00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:51,280 you know so anyway they came out there 611 00:28:56,730 --> 00:28:53,200 and you know we had technical 612 00:28:59,840 --> 00:28:56,740 difficulties at first that the sound was 613 00:29:02,430 --> 00:28:59,850 off then it came on typical you know 614 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:02,440 snafus had happen in production but you 615 00:29:07,380 --> 00:29:05,530 know I gave my lecture and and then you 616 00:29:11,670 --> 00:29:07,390 know we showed it the second night there 617 00:29:14,820 --> 00:29:11,680 and they enjoyed it and yeah so it was a 618 00:29:17,130 --> 00:29:14,830 it was well received and and and the new 619 00:29:18,450 --> 00:29:17,140 copy looks really really good we just 620 00:29:19,890 --> 00:29:18,460 spoke did you have a PowerPoint 621 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:19,900 presentation or anything like that 622 00:29:23,340 --> 00:29:20,770 backing you up 623 00:29:25,710 --> 00:29:23,350 yeah well alejandro he's the best he's 624 00:29:27,690 --> 00:29:25,720 like so do you have all of your you know 625 00:29:29,730 --> 00:29:27,700 your PowerPoint thing and I'm like 626 00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:29,740 what's what do you mean PowerPoint thing 627 00:29:33,450 --> 00:29:31,360 because we you know show pictures and 628 00:29:36,450 --> 00:29:33,460 video and I said well I'm just gonna 629 00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:36,460 talk about it really I mean you know and 630 00:29:45,090 --> 00:29:40,960 he's like you might want to go some of 631 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:45,100 the speakers cool okay so I go online 632 00:29:51,810 --> 00:29:49,210 and I call him back I'm like Jesus 633 00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:51,820 are you serious is I can't throw some 634 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:53,710 pictures up there I'm like no it's not 635 00:30:01,200 --> 00:29:56,770 just pictures it's like this is this is 636 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:01,210 like TED Talks times it's so I'm going 637 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:03,250 oh my god this is like I'm setting 638 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:06,130 myself up to fail here but so I go and I 639 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:08,890 now I'm up to like 75 images and video 640 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:11,650 clips and all this stuff and and I'm 641 00:30:16,860 --> 00:30:13,810 trying to time it and everything and not 642 00:30:21,780 --> 00:30:16,870 be reading the whole time and so I get 643 00:30:24,660 --> 00:30:21,790 out there and and and you know have it 644 00:30:26,490 --> 00:30:24,670 all lined up and the first thing I did 645 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:26,500 was to test the audience to make sure 646 00:30:31,740 --> 00:30:28,890 that these guys are going to be cool and 647 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:31,750 and so I said you know I read them my 648 00:30:39,630 --> 00:30:35,410 favorite fan letter by the way you can 649 00:30:41,070 --> 00:30:39,640 actually purchase this the lecture that 650 00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:41,080 I gave on at the International UFO 651 00:30:46,290 --> 00:30:44,080 Congress convention website and and I 652 00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:46,300 read the letter my favorite fan letter 653 00:30:54,210 --> 00:30:49,360 which was this guy who was saying I need 654 00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:54,220 a copy of your movie really bad he says 655 00:30:58,260 --> 00:30:55,840 sorry it's gonna be a little off-color 656 00:31:01,200 --> 00:30:58,270 here he says that my girlfriend gets 657 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:01,210 really horny when she gets scared and 658 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:04,930 your movies scary the other film I need 659 00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:08,530 to show it to you show it to her I need 660 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:10,480 you to understand how really really 661 00:31:16,410 --> 00:31:14,370 really really important this is to me 662 00:31:18,540 --> 00:31:16,420 and I said you know I don't know if this 663 00:31:21,630 --> 00:31:18,550 guy's writing from his mom's basement or 664 00:31:25,740 --> 00:31:21,640 whatever get it is important to you I 665 00:31:27,930 --> 00:31:25,750 get it it's been a fun ride across the 666 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:27,940 board because there's that and there's a 667 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:29,650 you know one woman said she almost had a 668 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:30,970 miscarriage because she was so terrified 669 00:31:37,260 --> 00:31:35,170 I think plenty of kids email me who have 670 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:37,270 grown up that still sleep with the light 671 00:31:44,790 --> 00:31:39,970 on and I go that's messed up I'm so 672 00:31:47,130 --> 00:31:44,800 sorry like you know got me interested in 673 00:31:50,790 --> 00:31:47,140 things that are interesting and outside 674 00:31:53,130 --> 00:31:50,800 the norm and so anyway yeah you know you 675 00:31:56,930 --> 00:31:53,140 mentioned levity the last time I 676 00:31:59,640 --> 00:31:56,940 interviewed you and I wanted to ask you 677 00:32:02,790 --> 00:31:59,650 you once said you would like to add 678 00:32:07,740 --> 00:32:02,800 levity to the field of ufology and be a 679 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:07,750 barometer in what way well here's the 680 00:32:10,539 --> 00:32:08,970 thing 681 00:32:13,250 --> 00:32:10,549 the term 682 00:32:17,270 --> 00:32:13,260 rabbit hole is used a lot in this field 683 00:32:18,980 --> 00:32:17,280 you know going down the rabbit hole you 684 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:18,990 don't want to get caught too far down 685 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:21,690 the rabbit hole so I keep one foot in 686 00:32:26,510 --> 00:32:23,610 the rabbit hole and one always out and 687 00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:26,520 so whenever I hear about anything that's 688 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:28,049 coming down the pike there's some new 689 00:32:33,710 --> 00:32:31,770 footage or some new story for me it's 690 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:33,720 you know Occam's razor it's like okay 691 00:32:39,890 --> 00:32:36,210 well let's first rule out all of the 692 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:39,900 obvious plausible explanations and then 693 00:32:46,010 --> 00:32:42,570 let's see what we're left with but it 694 00:32:47,390 --> 00:32:46,020 has to be broken down it can't be you 695 00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:47,400 know it's kind of like food you don't 696 00:32:51,620 --> 00:32:49,200 bring a sandwich in and shove the whole 697 00:32:53,870 --> 00:32:51,630 thing in whole you've got to break it 698 00:32:57,710 --> 00:32:53,880 down into bite-sized chunks and then 699 00:33:00,140 --> 00:32:57,720 take it in slowly and and I find that 700 00:33:01,940 --> 00:33:00,150 there are those who believe and hands 701 00:33:04,850 --> 00:33:01,950 down that's it that's just how things 702 00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:04,860 are and the fact that I've never seen a 703 00:33:12,649 --> 00:33:10,559 UFO I still want to believe in that but 704 00:33:14,779 --> 00:33:12,659 I can't say that I know for sure that 705 00:33:16,610 --> 00:33:14,789 this has happened I can say that I 706 00:33:19,549 --> 00:33:16,620 believe I can say that I believe that 707 00:33:20,659 --> 00:33:19,559 people have had experiences for sure and 708 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:20,669 that they believe that they've had those 709 00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:24,570 experiences but for me I feel like the 710 00:33:29,570 --> 00:33:27,600 the barometer that I'm bringing isten 711 00:33:31,610 --> 00:33:29,580 all right well let's test this let's 712 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:31,620 throw it up and let's test the fabric of 713 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:33,690 him because I make movies and I have 714 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:35,250 done films with special effects I'm 715 00:33:42,140 --> 00:33:38,130 pretty good at spotting footage that has 716 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:42,150 been augmented and so you know I always 717 00:33:46,399 --> 00:33:44,370 like to call out people that are doing 718 00:33:47,779 --> 00:33:46,409 that stuff I mean they're usually easy 719 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:47,789 to spot because the first scene is 720 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:50,490 online YouTube they're anonymous they 721 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:51,450 don't want to talk they don't want to 722 00:33:57,740 --> 00:33:54,210 reveal their identity mm-hmm I call me 723 00:34:00,770 --> 00:33:57,750 yes on time cycle come on Wiggly 724 00:34:02,450 --> 00:34:00,780 streamers book communion as you know so 725 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:02,460 well because you grew up reading that 726 00:34:06,980 --> 00:34:04,650 book probably repeatedly is just a guess 727 00:34:08,750 --> 00:34:06,990 on my part but it made a splash when it 728 00:34:11,290 --> 00:34:08,760 hit the market it gave a stereotype of 729 00:34:15,710 --> 00:34:11,300 what a gray would look like a gray alien 730 00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:15,720 some people claimed they could and could 731 00:34:22,669 --> 00:34:19,919 not look at the cover of that book and 732 00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:22,679 also some people said that it put them 733 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:24,320 to position of actually have 734 00:34:28,810 --> 00:34:27,050 what they referred to as flashbacks of 735 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:28,820 guerrilla encounters that they felt they 736 00:34:34,690 --> 00:34:32,050 had what this type of extraterrestrial 737 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:34,700 could you parallel your movie to that 738 00:34:41,350 --> 00:34:38,330 book cinematically yeah there were 739 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:41,360 people for sure 740 00:34:48,610 --> 00:34:46,610 in fact Tom dango talks about his 741 00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:48,620 experience on this on the Fox behind the 742 00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:53,110 scenes footage on the DVD he talks about 743 00:35:00,340 --> 00:34:55,310 how someone was looking over his 744 00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:00,350 shoulder at the alien and he said that's 745 00:35:05,050 --> 00:35:02,480 what dead aliens look like I've seen 746 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:05,060 them before their eyes concave like that 747 00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:08,330 and so here's that was the first time 748 00:35:11,890 --> 00:35:09,920 that I had heard ever heard someone 749 00:35:14,650 --> 00:35:11,900 talking about they've had experiences 750 00:35:17,110 --> 00:35:14,660 where they've you know not only seen 751 00:35:19,690 --> 00:35:17,120 aliens but they've seen aliens that have 752 00:35:22,540 --> 00:35:19,700 deceased been deceased that was 753 00:35:23,710 --> 00:35:22,550 interesting and the guy was he said was 754 00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:23,720 you know it's not like the guy was 755 00:35:27,610 --> 00:35:25,760 freaked out who was saying that now we 756 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:27,620 didn't intentionally concave the eyes 757 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:29,450 had just happened that the design looked 758 00:35:33,870 --> 00:35:30,650 like that's a way that the light was 759 00:35:36,190 --> 00:35:33,880 hitting it when we shot that scene but 760 00:35:39,370 --> 00:35:36,200 yeah I've gotten plenty of people that 761 00:35:42,340 --> 00:35:39,380 have said this is this is a true 762 00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:42,350 representation of of what it's like when 763 00:35:47,290 --> 00:35:43,910 they see them and the shape and 764 00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:47,300 everything and you know it's become kind 765 00:35:53,890 --> 00:35:50,720 of iconic commercialized branded image 766 00:35:55,780 --> 00:35:53,900 but at the time it was you know it was 767 00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:55,790 kind of scarce to find that because 768 00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:56,960 again you just you do Close Encounters 769 00:36:01,570 --> 00:35:58,880 and that was it as far as you know 770 00:36:04,540 --> 00:36:01,580 movies go and so when Mike came along it 771 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:04,550 was like oh wow here's some more you 772 00:36:13,690 --> 00:36:09,650 know here's some more examples of what 773 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:13,700 I'm you know experiencing you know and 774 00:36:19,150 --> 00:36:15,770 I'm Dean really Wicca you felt like 775 00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:19,160 Close Encounters was more of well there 776 00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:21,200 were some elements that we're especially 777 00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:24,110 involving the the ladies kid the younger 778 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:25,760 kid who was kidnapped and obviously 779 00:36:29,590 --> 00:36:27,650 caused a lot of stress there but for 780 00:36:33,790 --> 00:36:29,600 most for the most part that movie was 781 00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:33,800 more of a positive type contact movie in 782 00:36:39,029 --> 00:36:36,640 the end you know I was 783 00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:39,039 it's a positive movie whereas you took 784 00:36:44,759 --> 00:36:42,609 on more of the ETS monster type of 785 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:44,769 approach can you talk a little bit about 786 00:36:48,420 --> 00:36:46,450 that about there the differences between 787 00:36:51,299 --> 00:36:48,430 the two they don't seem to be as many 788 00:36:54,029 --> 00:36:51,309 positive contact movies positive UFO 789 00:36:55,950 --> 00:36:54,039 movies as there are the the monster type 790 00:36:59,640 --> 00:36:55,960 felt sure 791 00:37:03,720 --> 00:36:59,650 well close encounters had both what I 792 00:37:09,059 --> 00:37:03,730 loved about that film and probably why 793 00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:09,069 it's my favorite film ET was was for the 794 00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:10,960 longest time was my favorite film but I 795 00:37:13,950 --> 00:37:12,400 keep going back even though Close 796 00:37:15,630 --> 00:37:13,960 Encounters came out beforehand keep 797 00:37:20,430 --> 00:37:15,640 going back to Close Encounters because 798 00:37:22,799 --> 00:37:20,440 it focused on on the wonderment you know 799 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:22,809 the wonderment of looking out at the 800 00:37:30,089 --> 00:37:27,130 night stars of of you know other worlds 801 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:30,099 other people out there and then also the 802 00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,410 spiritual journey of someone compelled 803 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:34,720 to do something where they feel like 804 00:37:39,569 --> 00:37:36,970 there's a greater purpose 805 00:37:41,999 --> 00:37:39,579 you know I my goal is to be able to you 806 00:37:44,460 --> 00:37:42,009 know create something one of my films to 807 00:37:45,749 --> 00:37:44,470 to come close to that mark where you you 808 00:37:47,789 --> 00:37:45,759 feel you know here's someone going on a 809 00:37:51,029 --> 00:37:47,799 journey that's not just a journey for 810 00:37:53,509 --> 00:37:51,039 monetary gain but here's something for a 811 00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:53,519 spiritual gain that's really profound 812 00:37:57,690 --> 00:37:55,839 and that's why I think for a lot of 813 00:37:59,579 --> 00:37:57,700 people that film is this spiritual 814 00:38:02,309 --> 00:37:59,589 wonderful experience but in that film 815 00:38:04,890 --> 00:38:02,319 here the aliens come and kidnap this 816 00:38:07,259 --> 00:38:04,900 little kid they don't knock on the door 817 00:38:09,749 --> 00:38:07,269 they don't you know show up they 818 00:38:12,660 --> 00:38:09,759 literally rip him through a doggy door 819 00:38:14,220 --> 00:38:12,670 and they're you know throwing knives 820 00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:14,230 that are you know things are spinning 821 00:38:21,390 --> 00:38:17,529 none of that is is based on anything 822 00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:21,400 that anyone has ever said that they've 823 00:38:25,170 --> 00:38:23,920 experienced zero no one's ever talked 824 00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:25,180 about their you know going out through a 825 00:38:33,329 --> 00:38:30,480 doggie door but it showed the power of 826 00:38:35,220 --> 00:38:33,339 of them doing this why are they doing 827 00:38:37,289 --> 00:38:35,230 this it just increased the stakes of why 828 00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:37,299 what is going on has a mystery of it and 829 00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:41,049 so I've been at the end there's this 830 00:38:45,450 --> 00:38:43,119 beautiful communion where you're you 831 00:38:47,579 --> 00:38:45,460 know going up and meeting them and doing 832 00:38:49,740 --> 00:38:47,589 sign language and stuff it's all great 833 00:38:50,490 --> 00:38:49,750 104 and you know I don't need to go 834 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:50,500 inside the 835 00:38:55,740 --> 00:38:52,810 don't need to see it I get it here we 836 00:38:59,070 --> 00:38:55,750 are two species of creatures and then 837 00:39:06,120 --> 00:38:59,080 you know universe connecting then you've 838 00:39:09,089 --> 00:39:06,130 got et et is much more for me in a way 839 00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:09,099 more accurate you know here's the ship 840 00:39:14,010 --> 00:39:12,400 it comes down and they're taking samples 841 00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:14,020 or whatever well that would make sense 842 00:39:20,370 --> 00:39:16,000 certainly one of them gets left behind 843 00:39:24,690 --> 00:39:20,380 and the innocence between you know a 844 00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:24,700 child and and this creature you know 845 00:39:33,660 --> 00:39:28,720 that's that's there's nothing pernicious 846 00:39:36,270 --> 00:39:33,670 or terrifying in any way about that it's 847 00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:36,280 it's you know the innocence of a kid is 848 00:39:40,260 --> 00:39:38,560 met with the innocence of you know 849 00:39:42,030 --> 00:39:40,270 someone from another planet that that 850 00:39:43,859 --> 00:39:42,040 mixture and then throwing a little 851 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:43,869 Christ 852 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:49,330 you know symbolism you know who 853 00:39:54,170 --> 00:39:50,650 literally dies and then he comes back 854 00:39:58,079 --> 00:39:54,180 and everything spoiler alert you know 855 00:40:01,020 --> 00:39:58,089 you've got you know a potent story and 856 00:40:03,450 --> 00:40:01,030 so I you know and then then Spielberg's 857 00:40:05,730 --> 00:40:03,460 three third alien film which you know 858 00:40:10,140 --> 00:40:05,740 war the world's not a crazy about that 859 00:40:12,750 --> 00:40:10,150 film really was more you know going with 860 00:40:15,230 --> 00:40:12,760 the you know typical attacking the earth 861 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:15,240 the other two films for me are much more 862 00:40:22,020 --> 00:40:18,970 plausible and and resonate you know with 863 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:22,030 me someone who follows of genre because 864 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:23,770 the reality is if someone wanted to come 865 00:40:27,359 --> 00:40:25,930 here from another planet super super 866 00:40:30,089 --> 00:40:27,369 easy if they ever want to take over this 867 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:30,099 planet yeah I'm glad yeah I'm glad you 868 00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:31,810 brought up the a you TV because that was 869 00:40:36,089 --> 00:40:33,520 a that's a filmer that I was actually 870 00:40:38,420 --> 00:40:36,099 planning on asking you about compared to 871 00:40:41,550 --> 00:40:38,430 a lot of the other contact films that 872 00:40:45,150 --> 00:40:41,560 Close Encounters obviously there's also 873 00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:45,160 contact the Sagan movie he's based on 874 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:47,200 his book there are some others as well 875 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:50,770 but et was a huge hit when it was first 876 00:40:57,870 --> 00:40:54,010 released one of the top box office films 877 00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:57,880 around today yeah in its day and I don't 878 00:41:01,890 --> 00:41:00,400 think it is stood the test of time as 879 00:41:03,540 --> 00:41:01,900 well as some of these other contact 880 00:41:05,310 --> 00:41:03,550 films maybe 881 00:41:07,020 --> 00:41:05,320 you feel differently about it but from 882 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:07,030 what I see and from talking to folks 883 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:09,010 it's just not at the top of their list 884 00:41:20,670 --> 00:41:10,930 when they talk about positive contact 885 00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:20,680 movies dare you et is a perfect film I'm 886 00:41:24,810 --> 00:41:22,240 gonna give it to you it's dated and 887 00:41:28,020 --> 00:41:24,820 where it's dated is when the first time 888 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:28,030 you saw it it was this again this 889 00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:30,610 mystery of what is this about and how 890 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:33,040 would that be in and it's been cliched 891 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:35,770 and copied so long and so derivative 892 00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:37,810 that the only thing that's left right 893 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:39,910 now and this is why I mean I just saw it 894 00:41:45,810 --> 00:41:42,130 last year at the or two years ago at the 895 00:41:48,570 --> 00:41:45,820 Hollywood Bowl where Thomas Newman did 896 00:41:51,630 --> 00:41:48,580 the soundtrack live performance of the 897 00:41:53,550 --> 00:41:51,640 soundtrack for it and the audience were 898 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:53,560 crying and everything loved it great to 899 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:55,210 see in the big screen the shame that 900 00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:57,370 that holds up more than anything in that 901 00:42:04,770 --> 00:42:00,640 film I swear to God is the situational 902 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:04,780 comedy it's slapstick I mean there's a 903 00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:07,330 lot of comedy I didn't realize realize 904 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:09,510 how funny it was and I've seen that film 905 00:42:14,610 --> 00:42:13,570 probably 15 times in my life and I 906 00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:14,620 hadn't seen it for a while and saw it 907 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:15,760 again I'm like oh my god this is 908 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:17,650 hysterical I mean the physical you know 909 00:42:21,930 --> 00:42:20,290 when the brother sees him for the first 910 00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:21,940 time he falls back against the shelves a 911 00:42:27,060 --> 00:42:24,160 collapse yep and the camera pans over 912 00:42:28,170 --> 00:42:27,070 and and you know he's you know ETS 913 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:28,180 hiding with all the other stuffed 914 00:42:33,330 --> 00:42:30,130 animals they dressed him I mean there's 915 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:33,340 a shitload excuse me that's on YouTube 916 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:38,530 you can get all your four-letter words 917 00:42:47,490 --> 00:42:43,170 out down daily list let me get it ready 918 00:42:50,250 --> 00:42:47,500 and so anyway that to me holds up and 919 00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:50,260 that that is you know that's timeless 920 00:42:56,670 --> 00:42:53,710 and so so is drew Barrymore and so is 921 00:42:59,220 --> 00:42:56,680 true Barrymore yeah so I my feelin that 922 00:43:00,780 --> 00:42:59,230 is yeah it doesn't you know we don't 923 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:00,790 look at it and it doesn't have the 924 00:43:04,620 --> 00:43:02,770 reality anymore which is why Spielberg 925 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:04,630 wanted to augment it with CGI which was 926 00:43:09,090 --> 00:43:07,570 a bad impulse I think and even he says 927 00:43:11,010 --> 00:43:09,100 yeah I shouldn't have messed with that 928 00:43:15,290 --> 00:43:11,020 and especially taking away the guns from 929 00:43:16,890 --> 00:43:15,300 the the officers who were trying to 930 00:43:18,450 --> 00:43:16,900 apprehend 931 00:43:20,130 --> 00:43:18,460 kids when they were driving you know 932 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:20,140 with et you know replaced them with 933 00:43:24,660 --> 00:43:22,930 radios it was like okay enough PC please 934 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:24,670 don't 935 00:43:28,830 --> 00:43:26,050 and one more quick question about 936 00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:28,840 another positive contact movie that I 937 00:43:31,890 --> 00:43:30,730 think is a little bit underrated don't 938 00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:31,900 know if you've seen it or not I want to 939 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:33,040 ask you about it really quick if you 940 00:43:36,750 --> 00:43:34,810 have if you give us a a real quick 941 00:43:41,730 --> 00:43:36,760 thumbnail review of it and that is 942 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:41,740 mission to Mars the De Palma film oh you 943 00:43:45,540 --> 00:43:43,450 know what I don't think I ever saw that 944 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:45,550 really okay okay good 945 00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:48,490 I recommend it I do I think it's really 946 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:52,240 underrated I do huh yeah I know that the 947 00:43:56,820 --> 00:43:55,690 story was really good but um yeah I 948 00:44:01,770 --> 00:43:56,830 didn't see that 949 00:44:05,490 --> 00:44:01,780 I like the Martian yeah but yeah yeah 950 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:05,500 no well the other thing is I want to to 951 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:08,290 circle back to the the the problem that 952 00:44:14,190 --> 00:44:10,810 I kind of have with the with the aliens 953 00:44:15,690 --> 00:44:14,200 invading story is that if I'm an alien 954 00:44:17,790 --> 00:44:15,700 species I mean we can do this pretty 955 00:44:19,830 --> 00:44:17,800 much now we could inject you know they 956 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:19,840 could inject an airborne they wouldn't 957 00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:21,370 even have to land they'd just send out a 958 00:44:26,220 --> 00:44:24,400 probe inject an airborne disease that 959 00:44:27,780 --> 00:44:26,230 wipes out everyone and one that probably 960 00:44:29,130 --> 00:44:27,790 you know because there's those diseases 961 00:44:31,350 --> 00:44:29,140 that make your insides 962 00:44:33,780 --> 00:44:31,360 you know melt they could create 963 00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:33,790 something that that does that wipes out 964 00:44:37,020 --> 00:44:35,680 everyone and then come in keep all the 965 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:37,030 buildings and everything and then you 966 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:40,330 know move in tomorrow so you know the 967 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:44,410 the idea that Sagan said you know which 968 00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:45,970 is you know if they're coming all the 969 00:44:49,050 --> 00:44:47,200 way here they're not going to be you 970 00:44:51,570 --> 00:44:49,060 know there's a chance of that whereas 971 00:44:54,330 --> 00:44:51,580 Stephen Hawking was like no I think 972 00:44:56,130 --> 00:44:54,340 there's a chance we don't want to send 973 00:44:58,560 --> 00:44:56,140 out Voyager we want to recall it bring 974 00:45:01,760 --> 00:44:58,570 it back as we're still you know here we 975 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:01,770 are mm you know 19 and we're still 976 00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:03,610 bifurcated we're still fighting we're 977 00:45:09,150 --> 00:45:06,160 still in her pettiness stages and in 978 00:45:12,750 --> 00:45:09,160 Carl Sagan had laid out you know where 979 00:45:14,730 --> 00:45:12,760 there's certain levels of evolution and 980 00:45:18,750 --> 00:45:14,740 we're not not even had a first one yet 981 00:45:20,310 --> 00:45:18,760 so Dean the last time I interviewed you 982 00:45:22,410 --> 00:45:20,320 you mentioned your friend who's well 983 00:45:24,810 --> 00:45:22,420 known in the UFO AG community Bryce 984 00:45:28,590 --> 00:45:24,820 table he asked you what is this 985 00:45:30,450 --> 00:45:28,600 phenomena what this phenomena is and you 986 00:45:32,540 --> 00:45:30,460 said it is all 987 00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:32,550 and none of the above it could be 988 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:34,720 interdimensional from the future from 989 00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:38,770 the past but more interesting is why has 990 00:45:44,089 --> 00:45:41,250 there been no full-on sit down interview 991 00:45:48,660 --> 00:45:44,099 confirmation of this phenomenon and why 992 00:45:50,220 --> 00:45:48,670 maybe should this not happen ok first of 993 00:46:03,480 --> 00:45:50,230 all that text was kind of between Bryce 994 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:03,490 and I I think that that the disclosure 995 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:05,650 has already happened and it's ongoing 996 00:46:17,579 --> 00:46:13,690 and the the version that all the 997 00:46:20,930 --> 00:46:17,589 Stephens in the UFO community you know 998 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:20,940 who I'm talking about that they want 999 00:46:27,180 --> 00:46:23,770 it's not I don't think ever going to 1000 00:46:30,900 --> 00:46:27,190 happen because there's no need for it 1001 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:30,910 I think they've you know all you have to 1002 00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:32,410 do is do a little bit of research on the 1003 00:46:41,730 --> 00:46:36,609 Zimbabwe Ariel school incident we're 60 1004 00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:41,740 kids of all races and religions saw a 1005 00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:43,569 ship come down and saw two beings come 1006 00:46:48,750 --> 00:46:45,520 out communicated with them without 1007 00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:48,760 talking and all of them had all the kids 1008 00:46:54,569 --> 00:46:51,609 had the same experience and to this day 1009 00:46:58,289 --> 00:46:54,579 that was in 94 to this day they still 1010 00:47:00,180 --> 00:46:58,299 stand by what they saw you can't create 1011 00:47:02,039 --> 00:47:00,190 that even the teacher said when all the 1012 00:47:03,450 --> 00:47:02,049 kids came in to tell them what they had 1013 00:47:06,030 --> 00:47:03,460 witnessed because they were having a 1014 00:47:07,890 --> 00:47:06,040 teacher conference it was a recess they 1015 00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:07,900 said kids are don't get this organized 1016 00:47:11,549 --> 00:47:09,250 ever we can't get him this organized 1017 00:47:13,950 --> 00:47:11,559 they were all lined up outside the door 1018 00:47:15,420 --> 00:47:13,960 to tell them what they had seen and they 1019 00:47:17,819 --> 00:47:15,430 were crying and freaked out and 1020 00:47:19,710 --> 00:47:17,829 everything and and there was a message 1021 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:19,720 that we need to pay attention to the 1022 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:24,010 planet we need to start treating it as a 1023 00:47:31,890 --> 00:47:29,530 as a living living being and so you know 1024 00:47:34,770 --> 00:47:31,900 people of that of the experiencers that 1025 00:47:37,859 --> 00:47:34,780 have had their own experience Yvonne 1026 00:47:40,980 --> 00:47:37,869 Smith took me to one of her classes and 1027 00:47:42,539 --> 00:47:40,990 I got a chance to sit in and these are 1028 00:47:44,370 --> 00:47:42,549 you know people of very reputable 1029 00:47:45,870 --> 00:47:44,380 professions and stuff 1030 00:47:48,990 --> 00:47:45,880 having this experience and I got to say 1031 00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:49,000 I was you know I didn't know what to 1032 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:51,730 expect when I came in there and so you 1033 00:47:56,999 --> 00:47:53,970 know these guys laid all out for me and 1034 00:47:58,740 --> 00:47:57,009 while there is that component of the 1035 00:48:01,999 --> 00:47:58,750 being examined in everything that is 1036 00:48:04,529 --> 00:48:02,009 terrifying and the helplessness which 1037 00:48:06,779 --> 00:48:04,539 that to me is it will always be horrific 1038 00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:06,789 I think that they're you know they 1039 00:48:10,799 --> 00:48:08,319 always leave with the message which is 1040 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:10,809 you know you've got to take care of you 1041 00:48:15,630 --> 00:48:14,410 know your backyard and so I think that 1042 00:48:17,999 --> 00:48:15,640 it already is being done I think 1043 00:48:20,970 --> 00:48:18,009 disclosures having to those people that 1044 00:48:23,130 --> 00:48:20,980 they want to you know get out there in 1045 00:48:25,859 --> 00:48:23,140 the world and the percentage of how many 1046 00:48:29,039 --> 00:48:25,869 people have been abducted worldwide is 1047 00:48:29,849 --> 00:48:29,049 40 million and did the math on on how 1048 00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:29,859 many people claimed to have been 1049 00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:31,839 abducted and stuff and if these people 1050 00:48:39,059 --> 00:48:35,200 are you know if that's legit that's 40 1051 00:48:41,549 --> 00:48:39,069 million people a year are having their 1052 00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:41,559 own personal disclosures that's a more 1053 00:48:45,900 --> 00:48:44,529 intimate way to do it these people all 1054 00:48:47,249 --> 00:48:45,910 influenced them it's changed their lives 1055 00:48:49,890 --> 00:48:47,259 and they live a different life and 1056 00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:49,900 they're much more holistic and so for me 1057 00:48:54,509 --> 00:48:52,930 that is happening to have a UFO land on 1058 00:48:57,450 --> 00:48:54,519 the White House lawn first of all 1059 00:48:59,690 --> 00:48:57,460 they're gonna be shot at you know we 1060 00:49:02,700 --> 00:48:59,700 already have issues with cops sometimes 1061 00:49:06,089 --> 00:49:02,710 you know shooting indiscriminately can 1062 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:06,099 you imagine that and then what is that 1063 00:49:10,829 --> 00:49:08,170 gonna do I mean we pervert everything 1064 00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:10,839 man we screw up everything and so to 1065 00:49:15,210 --> 00:49:13,359 have these aliens come down we're gonna 1066 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:15,220 you know there will be fighting are they 1067 00:49:21,299 --> 00:49:17,890 gonna be on Fox News are these Albright 1068 00:49:24,180 --> 00:49:21,309 or they left this you know socialist 1069 00:49:26,130 --> 00:49:24,190 beans not even to get into the religion 1070 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:26,140 but the the thing that's interesting 1071 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:28,410 hand in hand with that is you've got the 1072 00:49:35,490 --> 00:49:31,690 the nimitz thane you've you've got that 1073 00:49:36,839 --> 00:49:35,500 footage credible you know people that 1074 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:36,849 you know the new york times coming out 1075 00:49:40,589 --> 00:49:38,650 and someone who was you know had won the 1076 00:49:44,670 --> 00:49:40,599 pulitzer prize writing about it as well 1077 00:49:47,549 --> 00:49:44,680 i mean it's it's been validated in that 1078 00:49:50,009 --> 00:49:47,559 way and no one freaked out no one jumped 1079 00:49:52,170 --> 00:49:50,019 out of buildings you know if you see 1080 00:49:56,519 --> 00:49:52,180 that the podcast I did with Martin and 1081 00:49:59,200 --> 00:49:56,529 with Nick Pope and with Travis Walton 1082 00:50:04,839 --> 00:49:59,210 was there also was 1083 00:50:07,300 --> 00:50:04,849 oh my god just free--free news you know 1084 00:50:10,660 --> 00:50:07,310 the Godfather there all of us were there 1085 00:50:15,550 --> 00:50:10,670 talking about it and I saw that yeah and 1086 00:50:17,230 --> 00:50:15,560 and the thing is that it it you know I 1087 00:50:19,060 --> 00:50:17,240 Sai brought up the point I said you know 1088 00:50:21,490 --> 00:50:19,070 no one freaked out everyone was like oh 1089 00:50:23,470 --> 00:50:21,500 yeah okay well I knew that was real 1090 00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:23,480 anyway because the Pew report shows that 1091 00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,280 most Americans believe eighty percent 1092 00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:27,440 believe that there is life on other 1093 00:50:31,630 --> 00:50:29,570 planets so everyone you know for two 1094 00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:31,640 weeks it was a big you know what to do 1095 00:50:36,430 --> 00:50:33,920 and not everyone this time played a 1096 00:50:39,460 --> 00:50:36,440 theme to x-files when they showed the 1097 00:50:43,660 --> 00:50:39,470 footage in the news and so it was it was 1098 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:43,670 much more taking in as a serious news 1099 00:50:48,370 --> 00:50:45,530 event and then people went on with their 1100 00:50:50,410 --> 00:50:48,380 lives so I don't think it's really that 1101 00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:50,420 you know the government's afraid that 1102 00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:53,119 people will do this net it's just if I'm 1103 00:50:58,660 --> 00:50:55,609 the government and I have some alight 1104 00:51:00,370 --> 00:50:58,670 allegiance with these guys Russia China 1105 00:51:03,339 --> 00:51:00,380 everyone's gonna say hold on spread the 1106 00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:03,349 love where's the technology for me to to 1107 00:51:06,339 --> 00:51:04,640 have it and I don't want other countries 1108 00:51:08,740 --> 00:51:06,349 having it I don't even want our country 1109 00:51:10,210 --> 00:51:08,750 to have any kind of technology that 1110 00:51:12,490 --> 00:51:10,220 could be you know mm-hm 1111 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:12,500 perverted into a weapon but that's what 1112 00:51:15,660 --> 00:51:14,930 we do so we're still not ready really 1113 00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:15,670 for that 1114 00:51:21,099 --> 00:51:19,250 well you cover those kind of statistics 1115 00:51:23,250 --> 00:51:21,109 which are fascinating by the way that 1116 00:51:26,170 --> 00:51:23,260 you just shared in our last interview 1117 00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:26,180 because in that interview I had asked 1118 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:27,650 you has society evolved to the point 1119 00:51:32,530 --> 00:51:30,170 where it feels there's extraterrestrial 1120 00:51:34,780 --> 00:51:32,540 activity and more are they willing to 1121 00:51:37,380 --> 00:51:34,790 accept the possibility of it and you 1122 00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:37,390 went into those interesting statistics 1123 00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:41,839 but also you had a lot to say along the 1124 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:44,210 same lines with regards to disclosure 1125 00:51:49,810 --> 00:51:47,170 when I asked you this in December of 1126 00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:49,820 2017 and New York Times among other 1127 00:51:54,130 --> 00:51:52,160 publications published an article about 1128 00:51:56,620 --> 00:51:54,140 a top-secret program which you already 1129 00:51:58,329 --> 00:51:56,630 know about called 880 IP which stands 1130 00:52:00,910 --> 00:51:58,339 for advanced aerospace threat 1131 00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:00,920 identification program and release 1132 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:03,440 Declassified Pentagon footage why I 1133 00:52:07,900 --> 00:52:05,570 think it was three videos which revealed 1134 00:52:10,510 --> 00:52:07,910 anomalous unidentified crafts going at 1135 00:52:11,710 --> 00:52:10,520 unfathomable speeds and then I asked you 1136 00:52:13,930 --> 00:52:11,720 to believe the 1137 00:52:16,450 --> 00:52:13,940 government or journalistic or scientific 1138 00:52:18,540 --> 00:52:16,460 communities are purposely ignoring the 1139 00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:18,550 possibility of the presence or 1140 00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:21,040 possibility of extraterrestrial 1141 00:52:29,710 --> 00:52:25,609 civilizations I'm sorry that was a 1142 00:52:33,300 --> 00:52:29,720 question yeah that you felt that 1143 00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:33,310 disclosure was already happening yeah I 1144 00:52:38,620 --> 00:52:35,810 you didn't you didn't seem like you were 1145 00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:38,630 very impressed either about the advanced 1146 00:52:45,790 --> 00:52:41,440 aerospace threat identification program 1147 00:52:48,910 --> 00:52:45,800 having Declassified three videos it was 1148 00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:48,920 interesting to you and you acknowledged 1149 00:52:55,690 --> 00:52:52,160 it but it didn't seem like it blew your 1150 00:52:57,730 --> 00:52:55,700 mind and you also went on to say that it 1151 00:53:00,070 --> 00:52:57,740 didn't change anybody in the respect 1152 00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:00,080 like everybody went to work the next day 1153 00:53:05,290 --> 00:53:03,410 nobody changed their lives that kind of 1154 00:53:10,540 --> 00:53:05,300 thing should we just start this 1155 00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:10,550 interview right now and replay I'm being 1156 00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:13,040 held to that Wow what's I have such 1157 00:53:21,370 --> 00:53:19,040 hubris geez Steen yeah I I do believe 1158 00:53:23,140 --> 00:53:21,380 that I mean that yeah so the government 1159 00:53:24,609 --> 00:53:23,150 has a program they're doing but the 1160 00:53:28,210 --> 00:53:24,619 government doesn't talk to each other 1161 00:53:29,980 --> 00:53:28,220 the department's I believe so and so if 1162 00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:29,990 you have one department that's saying 1163 00:53:34,930 --> 00:53:31,730 you know I think we need to look into 1164 00:53:37,210 --> 00:53:34,940 this they're not gonna you know be 1165 00:53:39,820 --> 00:53:37,220 intersecting with the deepest bowels of 1166 00:53:42,579 --> 00:53:39,830 you know majestic 12 or whatever you 1167 00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:42,589 know if there's such a thing it's gonna 1168 00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:44,930 be this separate component I mean you 1169 00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:46,400 know Department of Defense if anyone 1170 00:53:49,060 --> 00:53:47,690 knows about anything that's probably 1171 00:53:50,829 --> 00:53:49,070 them and then it's got to be some 1172 00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:50,839 department within a department within a 1173 00:53:56,290 --> 00:53:53,330 department definitely the president has 1174 00:53:59,500 --> 00:53:56,300 no clue I don't believe at all the I 1175 00:54:01,540 --> 00:53:59,510 agree four years four to eight years so 1176 00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:01,550 you're gonna open this up to someone 1177 00:54:06,430 --> 00:54:03,680 who's you know gonna be in and out and 1178 00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:06,440 you know I I think that the last 1179 00:54:10,650 --> 00:54:08,210 president who might have known because I 1180 00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:10,660 think there was a policy just from what 1181 00:54:15,790 --> 00:54:14,240 I've heard and again this is just I kind 1182 00:54:17,950 --> 00:54:15,800 of reason that now that seems to kind of 1183 00:54:22,300 --> 00:54:17,960 make sense again I don't know but the 1184 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:22,310 whole story of Jackie Gleason and Nixon 1185 00:54:25,570 --> 00:54:24,770 were mixed in there out in the golf 1186 00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:25,580 course 1187 00:54:30,370 --> 00:54:28,490 and Nixon says so I hear you like UFOs 1188 00:54:33,100 --> 00:54:30,380 he's like oh yeah I've got a house 1189 00:54:36,820 --> 00:54:33,110 shaped in Connecticut like a UFO and 1190 00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:36,830 he's like okay this is interesting and 1191 00:54:43,420 --> 00:54:39,410 then he gets a call like that night and 1192 00:54:45,940 --> 00:54:43,430 it's Nixon in his own car in a town car 1193 00:54:47,860 --> 00:54:45,950 and Nixon was known for doing this by 1194 00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:47,870 the fact by the way he would always try 1195 00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:50,960 to like out you know try to lose that 1196 00:54:53,890 --> 00:54:52,640 the Secret Service he got off on it it 1197 00:54:56,290 --> 00:54:53,900 was something that he would do on 1198 00:54:57,700 --> 00:54:56,300 occasion and so he picked him up and 1199 00:55:02,050 --> 00:54:57,710 even though the Secret Service were you 1200 00:55:04,300 --> 00:55:02,060 know follow them he picks up Jackie 1201 00:55:07,330 --> 00:55:04,310 Gleason and he takes him I think it was 1202 00:55:09,610 --> 00:55:07,340 Patterson he was down in Florida he was 1203 00:55:12,790 --> 00:55:09,620 down in Florida Florida yeah takes him 1204 00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:12,800 there and and brings him into this you 1205 00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:14,090 know this building this structure this 1206 00:55:20,700 --> 00:55:18,170 hangar at this base and shows him some 1207 00:55:26,740 --> 00:55:20,710 of the remains of supposedly the roswell 1208 00:55:27,790 --> 00:55:26,750 crash and and then his wife wakes up and 1209 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:27,800 at 4:00 a.m. 1210 00:55:32,740 --> 00:55:31,010 sees you know Jackie getting hammered in 1211 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:32,750 the living room and she's like you know 1212 00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:34,490 Jackie what's going on he goes son of a 1213 00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:38,210 it's real it's all you know effing 1214 00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:40,160 real you know what are you talking about 1215 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:44,000 and he tells her and this experience and 1216 00:55:47,290 --> 00:55:46,010 then she mentions it and I think it was 1217 00:55:50,650 --> 00:55:47,300 Life magazine or something 1218 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:50,660 that's an Enquirer ink National Enquirer 1219 00:55:54,610 --> 00:55:53,210 she mentioned know back in those days 1220 00:55:56,170 --> 00:55:54,620 before they got heavily into the 1221 00:55:58,840 --> 00:55:56,180 celebrity stuff that you know a lot of 1222 00:56:00,820 --> 00:55:58,850 UFO stuff it was a supermarket tabloid 1223 00:56:05,230 --> 00:56:00,830 it was right but I thought that she had 1224 00:56:08,110 --> 00:56:05,240 said it in a more reputable magazine you 1225 00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:08,120 know back in those days for UFO stuff 1226 00:56:13,060 --> 00:56:11,090 The Inquirer kind of was actually back 1227 00:56:15,100 --> 00:56:13,070 yeah they kind of evolved there their 1228 00:56:16,890 --> 00:56:15,110 focus over the years but back in those 1229 00:56:19,330 --> 00:56:16,900 days they did a lot of UFOs actually 1230 00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:19,340 yeah we're pretty good at it and then 1231 00:56:24,550 --> 00:56:21,440 supposedly from other people like there 1232 00:56:28,270 --> 00:56:24,560 was um Tom Hanks or someone from the set 1233 00:56:30,340 --> 00:56:28,280 of nothing was it called nothing but 1234 00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:30,350 trouble some film he did Jackie Gleason 1235 00:56:33,390 --> 00:56:31,970 but Tom Hanks and they said Jackie 1236 00:56:35,830 --> 00:56:33,400 Gleason was talking about the whole time 1237 00:56:37,630 --> 00:56:35,840 it was you know telling some of the crew 1238 00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:37,640 people and stuff yeah the stuffs real 1239 00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:39,680 blah blah so anyway that 1240 00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:43,040 that you know possibly and so he gets he 1241 00:56:47,740 --> 00:56:46,160 resigns before he gets impeached so it's 1242 00:56:50,020 --> 00:56:47,750 this whole big thing in the annual and 1243 00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:50,030 and and then here comes Jimmy Carter 1244 00:56:52,900 --> 00:56:51,680 there's no way in hell that you know and 1245 00:56:55,359 --> 00:56:52,910 Jimmy Carter already mentioned he had 1246 00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:55,369 seen a UFO well there's no way in hell 1247 00:56:59,470 --> 00:56:57,200 they're gonna say ok you're already 1248 00:57:01,240 --> 00:56:59,480 someone that you know was is telling 1249 00:57:02,410 --> 00:57:01,250 publicly this information you're not 1250 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:02,420 we're not going to tell me anything 1251 00:57:08,500 --> 00:57:06,410 no maybe Bush senior because he was head 1252 00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:08,510 of the CIA knew something but I just 1253 00:57:13,690 --> 00:57:11,530 don't see the the the the benefit of 1254 00:57:17,980 --> 00:57:13,700 saying that I see you know keeping 1255 00:57:20,250 --> 00:57:17,990 secrets secret I get that yeah that is a 1256 00:57:23,500 --> 00:57:20,260 fascinating story so it was Beverly 1257 00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:23,510 Gleason who recounted it and she said 1258 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:25,970 that she'll never forget the night in 73 1259 00:57:29,980 --> 00:57:27,770 her husband came home slumped 1260 00:57:32,410 --> 00:57:29,990 white-faced in an armchair spilled out 1261 00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:32,420 the incredible story it was late around 1262 00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:36,530 11:30 p.m. and she heard his key turn in 1263 00:57:41,559 --> 00:57:38,450 the lock of our golf course home in 1264 00:57:43,540 --> 00:57:41,569 Florida and she jumped to his feet her 1265 00:57:45,220 --> 00:57:43,550 feet and asked where have you been he 1266 00:57:47,109 --> 00:57:45,230 said I've been at Homestead Air Force 1267 00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:47,119 Base I've seen the bodies of some aliens 1268 00:57:51,099 --> 00:57:49,040 from outer space it's top-secret 1269 00:57:53,410 --> 00:57:51,109 only a few people know but the president 1270 00:57:55,450 --> 00:57:53,420 arranged for me to be a escorted there 1271 00:57:57,849 --> 00:57:55,460 and see them and then he went on to 1272 00:57:59,740 --> 00:57:57,859 finish by saying there were aliens lying 1273 00:58:02,410 --> 00:57:59,750 on four separate tables they were tiny 1274 00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:02,420 only about two feet tall with small bald 1275 00:58:08,049 --> 00:58:05,450 heads with disproportionately large ears 1276 00:58:11,859 --> 00:58:08,059 they must have been dead for some time 1277 00:58:14,589 --> 00:58:11,869 because they've been involved large ears 1278 00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:14,599 yeah I think they misspelled that they 1279 00:58:18,579 --> 00:58:17,359 said disproportionately large years so 1280 00:58:19,140 --> 00:58:18,589 I'm not quite sure what that means 1281 00:58:22,180 --> 00:58:19,150 either 1282 00:58:24,190 --> 00:58:22,190 yeah I think they meant eyes yeah I 1283 00:58:26,980 --> 00:58:24,200 think you're right about that eyes let's 1284 00:58:29,230 --> 00:58:26,990 substitute that for eyes yeah maybe they 1285 00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:29,240 were like little those little troll 1286 00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:31,730 dolls that's what I'm visioning yeah 1287 00:58:37,420 --> 00:58:35,690 right or Dumbo Jackie was apparently 1288 00:58:39,849 --> 00:58:37,430 none too happy when that story he was 1289 00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:39,859 still alive on that story yeah happy 1290 00:58:44,319 --> 00:58:41,839 about it part they said it was in part 1291 00:58:48,910 --> 00:58:44,329 of the divorce poor the aggravation that 1292 00:58:50,620 --> 00:58:48,920 pushed him to get a divorce but so 1293 00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:50,630 aliens caused divorce that's the message 1294 00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:55,210 yeah but the thing is again at the other 1295 00:59:00,780 --> 00:58:57,530 day it's kind of like the things that 1296 00:59:03,490 --> 00:59:00,790 were interested with the aliens you know 1297 00:59:07,359 --> 00:59:03,500 well I would think you know humanity 1298 00:59:09,579 --> 00:59:07,369 would be communicating with them not 1299 00:59:11,230 --> 00:59:09,589 necessarily taking their technology that 1300 00:59:13,450 --> 00:59:11,240 we haven't earned I mean right now 1301 00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:13,460 because I like that I mentioned this a 1302 00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:18,410 lot Moore's Law is the is the algorithm 1303 00:59:24,970 --> 00:59:21,890 so to speak chart where we see how 1304 00:59:27,849 --> 00:59:24,980 humanity develops and how technology 1305 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:27,859 develops and it's always been parallel 1306 00:59:32,290 --> 00:59:30,890 and then since the 50s and 60s it 1307 00:59:33,819 --> 00:59:32,300 started to branch off the integrated 1308 00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:33,829 circuit started to branch off and we're 1309 00:59:40,109 --> 00:59:36,770 doing things technology wise that are 1310 00:59:42,970 --> 00:59:40,119 beyond our evolution and so that that 1311 00:59:46,780 --> 00:59:42,980 chart instead of being the slow increase 1312 00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:46,790 is now split off Moore's law I mean 1313 00:59:52,300 --> 00:59:49,520 we're practically like inverted it's so 1314 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:52,310 at disproportion to how you know we're 1315 00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:54,170 evolved it's good like a cat little baby 1316 00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:55,970 kitten that's running around its hind 1317 01:00:00,400 --> 00:59:57,770 legs are running ahead of its you know 1318 01:00:02,859 --> 01:00:00,410 of itself because it hasn't figured out 1319 01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:02,869 the coordination of this we are you know 1320 01:00:12,099 --> 01:00:06,890 of violent greedy jealous species and so 1321 01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:12,109 I you know I kind of you know until we 1322 01:00:17,500 --> 01:00:14,690 work that out and you know this bleeds 1323 01:00:20,470 --> 01:00:17,510 into spirituality I mean for me I I look 1324 01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:20,480 at you know all of it 1325 01:00:24,609 --> 01:00:22,880 speaking of which my favorite day 1326 01:00:26,290 --> 01:00:24,619 circling back to different contact 1327 01:00:29,530 --> 01:00:26,300 movies I think my favorite of all time 1328 01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:29,540 has got to be 2001 a Space Odyssey that 1329 01:00:33,010 --> 01:00:31,130 a lot of the things that you're talking 1330 01:00:34,690 --> 01:00:33,020 about right now you want to give us a 1331 01:00:38,380 --> 01:00:34,700 your thumbnail thoughts on that 1332 01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:38,390 particular film horrible film terrible 1333 01:00:42,609 --> 01:00:38,960 ha ha ha 1334 01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:42,619 don't bother boring doesn't make any 1335 01:00:55,180 --> 01:00:52,250 sense it's just like it's well first of 1336 01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:55,190 all it's a meditation you go in there to 1337 01:01:00,130 --> 01:00:57,050 experience you he doesn't have a lot of 1338 01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:00,140 things going on action-packed because he 1339 01:01:05,980 --> 01:01:03,890 wanted to show the future and especially 1340 01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:05,990 with regard to space exploration he 1341 01:01:08,859 --> 01:01:06,319 wanted 1342 01:01:10,989 --> 01:01:08,869 show the future and showed us mundane as 1343 01:01:13,539 --> 01:01:10,999 possible so you felt like literally you 1344 01:01:15,309 --> 01:01:13,549 were looking into a crystal ball where 1345 01:01:17,140 --> 01:01:15,319 you could see the future and you're 1346 01:01:20,469 --> 01:01:17,150 seeing it just play out and just by the 1347 01:01:22,499 --> 01:01:20,479 fact that all the detail from the Pan Am 1348 01:01:24,609 --> 01:01:22,509 flights and the suits and everything 1349 01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:24,619 that would be enough to keep your 1350 01:01:28,329 --> 01:01:27,170 attention so he really wanted to be this 1351 01:01:31,089 --> 01:01:28,339 kind of thing that was taking very 1352 01:01:33,130 --> 01:01:31,099 serious here it is and and and there was 1353 01:01:34,809 --> 01:01:33,140 kind of this you know where as you know 1354 01:01:36,999 --> 01:01:34,819 his other films he's got much more stuff 1355 01:01:41,410 --> 01:01:37,009 going on but this one was much more you 1356 01:01:43,449 --> 01:01:41,420 know subdued in a way the the way that 1357 01:01:47,079 --> 01:01:43,459 it's broken down were it's kind of an 1358 01:01:48,759 --> 01:01:47,089 anthology right it starts out with the 1359 01:01:51,370 --> 01:01:48,769 first story which is you know when the 1360 01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:51,380 monolith shows up and we see the dawn of 1361 01:01:59,380 --> 01:01:55,119 man and then it shows up the second time 1362 01:02:00,549 --> 01:01:59,390 on the moon when we're now venturing out 1363 01:02:01,569 --> 01:02:00,559 to the moon so now we're going out in 1364 01:02:04,059 --> 01:02:01,579 space so now we've you know 1365 01:02:06,130 --> 01:02:04,069 transcendence the third one just just to 1366 01:02:07,390 --> 01:02:06,140 interrupt here my big analysis of this 1367 01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:07,400 where a lot of people might disagree 1368 01:02:11,289 --> 01:02:08,930 with me I don't know anyone who agrees 1369 01:02:13,479 --> 01:02:11,299 with me but my feeling is that entire 1370 01:02:15,339 --> 01:02:13,489 segments up to the point where they find 1371 01:02:23,319 --> 01:02:15,349 the monolith on the moon that entire 1372 01:02:25,180 --> 01:02:23,329 segment is the dawn of man yeah well it 1373 01:02:27,999 --> 01:02:25,190 could be because that time you know 1374 01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:28,009 passes it seems to be fast but it's 1375 01:02:31,749 --> 01:02:29,930 really I mean seems to be slow but it's 1376 01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:31,759 really fast right we've only been you 1377 01:02:36,219 --> 01:02:33,440 know at the age that we're at me we're 1378 01:02:39,249 --> 01:02:36,229 only flying 120 hundred and 40 years ago 1379 01:02:40,900 --> 01:02:39,259 something like that so maybe that is it 1380 01:02:44,019 --> 01:02:40,910 except that it that it's two separate 1381 01:02:47,979 --> 01:02:44,029 you know is it the same monolith so so 1382 01:02:50,709 --> 01:02:47,989 if it shows up there at the dawn of man 1383 01:02:53,140 --> 01:02:50,719 where man hasn't fully become man yet 1384 01:02:54,579 --> 01:02:53,150 they're still Apes and so the act of 1385 01:02:56,709 --> 01:02:54,589 violence when he grabs the bone and 1386 01:02:59,769 --> 01:02:56,719 starts using it is okay now the 1387 01:03:01,569 --> 01:02:59,779 evolution has begun evolving into what 1388 01:03:03,099 --> 01:03:01,579 man is which is this violent you know 1389 01:03:05,609 --> 01:03:03,109 it's funny that he picks that as that 1390 01:03:07,959 --> 01:03:05,619 technology as the 1391 01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:07,969 signpost that we're going there but then 1392 01:03:12,489 --> 01:03:09,890 when they get to another body another 1393 01:03:17,319 --> 01:03:12,499 space bodies a moon then it shows up 1394 01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:17,329 again so I might I'm not sure I'm not 1395 01:03:23,590 --> 01:03:21,170 sure I think that I think 1396 01:03:25,270 --> 01:03:23,600 I think that the title cards tell the 1397 01:03:28,810 --> 01:03:25,280 tale where you've got the honor of man 1398 01:03:32,020 --> 01:03:28,820 then Jupiter mission then beyond the 1399 01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:32,030 infinite so I think that's but you know 1400 01:03:35,890 --> 01:03:33,290 again hey it's open to interpretation 1401 01:03:38,380 --> 01:03:35,900 and he's absolutely you back off and say 1402 01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:38,390 yeah I don't change every time you see 1403 01:03:43,450 --> 01:03:40,850 it it may change and then the third one 1404 01:03:46,570 --> 01:03:43,460 you know is when he you know ends up 1405 01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:46,580 having that that meeting with himself I 1406 01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:49,250 just saw some article recently where 1407 01:03:54,250 --> 01:03:51,650 Kubrick was asked an interview where he 1408 01:03:58,359 --> 01:03:54,260 was asked like Japanese TV or something 1409 01:04:01,450 --> 01:03:58,369 about what the third act you know meant 1410 01:04:04,660 --> 01:04:01,460 where he was seeing himself and they 1411 01:04:08,170 --> 01:04:04,670 said he was he had he wanted to show 1412 01:04:11,830 --> 01:04:08,180 that he was on the alien planet or in 1413 01:04:15,330 --> 01:04:11,840 the alien reality and so if you look at 1414 01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:15,340 that room it was kind of like the aliens 1415 01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:19,010 attempt at recreating earth yeah for 1416 01:04:23,230 --> 01:04:21,410 this guy which is really fast and I've 1417 01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:23,240 never heard about that you know before 1418 01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:26,090 but I always want to leave it you know 1419 01:04:30,820 --> 01:04:27,890 kind of open-ended so you can interpret 1420 01:04:33,730 --> 01:04:30,830 it you know anyway and worth watching 1421 01:04:36,490 --> 01:04:33,740 every you know every 10 years but genius 1422 01:04:38,650 --> 01:04:36,500 film again you know it's I see that I 1423 01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:38,660 see Laurence Olivier and I want to throw 1424 01:04:44,859 --> 01:04:40,490 away all the camera equipment I have ago 1425 01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:44,869 I'm not worthy and you know how do i you 1426 01:04:49,210 --> 01:04:47,570 know strive for something like that you 1427 01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:49,220 don't strive for that you strive to find 1428 01:04:55,270 --> 01:04:51,890 your own voice and you know but amazing 1429 01:04:58,210 --> 01:04:55,280 epic masterpiece um Dean a few 1430 01:05:00,700 --> 01:04:58,220 scientists have come forward to talk 1431 01:05:03,460 --> 01:05:00,710 about this topic of youth ology and 1432 01:05:05,830 --> 01:05:03,470 helped to legitimize it along with their 1433 01:05:08,650 --> 01:05:05,840 own hypothesis such as dr. Jacques 1434 01:05:11,470 --> 01:05:08,660 Vallee with his own hypothesis I was 1435 01:05:20,190 --> 01:05:11,480 going to ask you do you have anything to 1436 01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:20,200 say about that well I think it's always 1437 01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:23,930 I mean we we have someone from Harvard 1438 01:05:28,859 --> 01:05:25,930 right now talking about that I'm gonna 1439 01:05:32,410 --> 01:05:28,869 horrendously mispronounces was if he Oh 1440 01:05:35,620 --> 01:05:32,420 mom mom honest the the 1441 01:05:40,210 --> 01:05:35,630 okay oh mama I can't very well either 1442 01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:40,220 yes the oblong object object that 1443 01:05:45,279 --> 01:05:43,250 floated by and was feeling that it was a 1444 01:05:47,859 --> 01:05:45,289 probe you know here's someone who's you 1445 01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:47,869 know building a you know a strong case 1446 01:05:57,220 --> 01:05:52,490 for that some would say a strong case so 1447 01:05:59,259 --> 01:05:57,230 I you know I I don't think it needs to 1448 01:06:01,750 --> 01:05:59,269 be that long if it's a probe to be 1449 01:06:04,539 --> 01:06:01,760 honest so doesn't make too much sense 1450 01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:04,549 for me but who knows what's you know it 1451 01:06:08,769 --> 01:06:06,650 is a weird shape thing I don't know how 1452 01:06:10,029 --> 01:06:08,779 space would shape something like that 1453 01:06:12,630 --> 01:06:10,039 because there's no friction against it 1454 01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:12,640 so it would have to broken off in that 1455 01:06:20,380 --> 01:06:18,410 that you know weird shape but I don't 1456 01:06:22,779 --> 01:06:20,390 know I I don't really have any opinion 1457 01:06:24,759 --> 01:06:22,789 on that other than I'm glad that it's 1458 01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:24,769 being you know this phenomena is now 1459 01:06:29,319 --> 01:06:27,170 being tested you know more and more with 1460 01:06:31,690 --> 01:06:29,329 people that are lived yet and people who 1461 01:06:33,609 --> 01:06:31,700 find it interesting I mean when all of 1462 01:06:37,779 --> 01:06:33,619 us were kids this was considered a 1463 01:06:40,210 --> 01:06:37,789 really esoteric topic and you know it 1464 01:06:43,029 --> 01:06:40,220 goes into the tinfoil hat you know box 1465 01:06:45,130 --> 01:06:43,039 and now it's kind of like because of 1466 01:06:49,180 --> 01:06:45,140 Roswell I mean Roswell gets a shitload 1467 01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:49,190 of credit because you know Berlitz Burt 1468 01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:51,049 book and and the others that you know 1469 01:06:58,240 --> 01:06:55,490 Kent it was very much them you know 1470 01:07:01,329 --> 01:06:58,250 saying here is a legitimate conspiracy 1471 01:07:02,650 --> 01:07:01,339 with witnesses to the point that you 1472 01:07:04,359 --> 01:07:02,660 know most Americans believe yes 1473 01:07:06,490 --> 01:07:04,369 something definitely happened something 1474 01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:06,500 definitely crash-landed there so that 1475 01:07:15,279 --> 01:07:11,200 kind of became a whole new mythology or 1476 01:07:17,079 --> 01:07:15,289 legend or history of America and so 1477 01:07:19,749 --> 01:07:17,089 before that there's no other story like 1478 01:07:22,650 --> 01:07:19,759 that people don't remember the miracle 1479 01:07:27,809 --> 01:07:22,660 of Fatima they don't remember you know 1480 01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:27,819 was it a good era um gallardo Giraldo 1481 01:07:33,069 --> 01:07:31,130 that happened in Missouri in cape 1482 01:07:35,950 --> 01:07:33,079 girardeau yeah capture old okay they 1483 01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:35,960 don't remember you know that which is 1484 01:07:39,789 --> 01:07:38,569 also significant and and for me again 1485 01:07:41,410 --> 01:07:39,799 the one that's more significant than 1486 01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:41,420 anything is that again there's a bob way 1487 01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:44,930 okay case but that is something that 1488 01:07:48,220 --> 01:07:45,890 we've kind of 1489 01:07:50,170 --> 01:07:48,230 rais'd and Roswell the town of Roswell 1490 01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:50,180 definitely has embraced it especially 1491 01:07:58,780 --> 01:07:57,050 the tourists and so so I feel like now 1492 01:08:00,220 --> 01:07:58,790 it's kind of almost been accepted that 1493 01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:00,230 something's gone down and there is some 1494 01:08:03,940 --> 01:08:02,330 you know I think the government 1495 01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:03,950 substantiated that themselves though 1496 01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:05,570 they could have the credit because of 1497 01:08:08,500 --> 01:08:06,890 all the ridiculous stories that they 1498 01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:08,510 kept saying it's a weather balloon 1499 01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:11,690 no it's a bunch of mannequins no it 1500 01:08:16,660 --> 01:08:14,810 might be children Berg's yeah Birds it's 1501 01:08:19,030 --> 01:08:16,670 like come on stop put down the stupid 1502 01:08:21,700 --> 01:08:19,040 stick just don't say anything that's the 1503 01:08:24,730 --> 01:08:21,710 best line of defense for you if you want 1504 01:08:26,140 --> 01:08:24,740 to you know discount that but um you 1505 01:08:29,500 --> 01:08:26,150 know I need to get bent out of shape and 1506 01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:29,510 say you know this is our experience as 1507 01:08:35,830 --> 01:08:32,810 well it's not just a few select you know 1508 01:08:37,390 --> 01:08:35,840 people in the Pentagon or whatever we 1509 01:08:41,830 --> 01:08:37,400 should see the wreckage we should see 1510 01:08:45,580 --> 01:08:41,840 all this stuff and yeah but you know 1511 01:08:49,210 --> 01:08:45,590 let's be realistic about you know how 1512 01:08:51,820 --> 01:08:49,220 these things happen and by the way if 1513 01:08:54,010 --> 01:08:51,830 Roswell really happened that means 1514 01:08:56,650 --> 01:08:54,020 there's no such thing as time travel for 1515 01:08:59,470 --> 01:08:56,660 these creatures they're definitely not 1516 01:09:02,050 --> 01:08:59,480 from the future because they would go 1517 01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:02,060 back and they would fix you know the 1518 01:09:05,410 --> 01:09:03,440 craft and make sure it didn't get hit by 1519 01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:05,420 lightning or whatever or they would just 1520 01:09:08,260 --> 01:09:07,130 show up and then take the ships I mean 1521 01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:08,270 supposedly they did see another ship 1522 01:09:12,820 --> 01:09:09,890 after that but was too late we got our 1523 01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:12,830 hands on that so I like to muse about 1524 01:09:17,530 --> 01:09:14,330 that that all right well that goes off 1525 01:09:19,870 --> 01:09:17,540 the table interesting parallel universe 1526 01:09:20,410 --> 01:09:19,880 but then why go back in time at all so I 1527 01:09:22,930 --> 01:09:20,420 don't know 1528 01:09:25,780 --> 01:09:22,940 yeah because Frank and I know various 1529 01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:25,790 people I won't mention their names who 1530 01:09:31,330 --> 01:09:28,570 are well known who still believe despite 1531 01:09:34,060 --> 01:09:31,340 the incident and actually it was Corona 1532 01:09:36,460 --> 01:09:34,070 New Mexico but we can call Roswell the 1533 01:09:39,490 --> 01:09:36,470 Roswell incident that still believe that 1534 01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:39,500 they being the extraterrestrials whoever 1535 01:09:45,580 --> 01:09:43,850 they are come from the future anyway 1536 01:09:48,370 --> 01:09:45,590 what I was going to mention here is that 1537 01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:48,380 I believe that your film helped to 1538 01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:52,370 legitimize UFO culture and also want to 1539 01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:54,530 thank you for having done it because I 1540 01:09:59,860 --> 01:09:56,810 have met a lot of people who are 1541 01:10:02,850 --> 01:09:59,870 experiences and contact 1542 01:10:06,370 --> 01:10:02,860 they believe that they have had a 1543 01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:06,380 authentic experience regarding not only 1544 01:10:11,130 --> 01:10:09,170 witnessing extraterrestrial craft but 1545 01:10:14,980 --> 01:10:11,140 they also believe they have met 1546 01:10:18,580 --> 01:10:14,990 extraterrestrials and your having done 1547 01:10:22,150 --> 01:10:18,590 this film really helps them in many ways 1548 01:10:24,550 --> 01:10:22,160 have any of these people who have viewed 1549 01:10:26,580 --> 01:10:24,560 your film come forward to later to talk 1550 01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:26,590 to you about their own personal 1551 01:10:35,110 --> 01:10:33,770 experiences yes they have it's it's 1552 01:10:37,540 --> 01:10:35,120 strange there's there's a certain 1553 01:10:42,580 --> 01:10:37,550 percentage of people that you have to 1554 01:10:43,660 --> 01:10:42,590 kind of compartmentalize like but the 1555 01:10:45,940 --> 01:10:43,670 first night when I was at the 1556 01:10:49,210 --> 01:10:45,950 International UFO Congress convention I 1557 01:10:50,770 --> 01:10:49,220 went out to a fire pit and there are a 1558 01:10:52,570 --> 01:10:50,780 bunch of people that were it was just 1559 01:10:54,670 --> 01:10:52,580 outside the lobby and there were a lot 1560 01:10:57,250 --> 01:10:54,680 of people that were there and I just 1561 01:10:58,360 --> 01:10:57,260 kind of settled up and said hey you know 1562 01:11:00,070 --> 01:10:58,370 what interests you here and I'm 1563 01:11:02,110 --> 01:11:00,080 interviewing this guy and he's telling 1564 01:11:04,420 --> 01:11:02,120 me that he's Vulcan he's a Vulcan and 1565 01:11:04,930 --> 01:11:04,430 that he had his ears fixed when he was a 1566 01:11:07,570 --> 01:11:04,940 kid 1567 01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:07,580 and all this stuff and there's someone 1568 01:11:15,250 --> 01:11:10,930 else saying that his ankle was healed by 1569 01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:15,260 an alien but then he had like some other 1570 01:11:18,130 --> 01:11:16,850 cancer or something so it's kind of like 1571 01:11:21,130 --> 01:11:18,140 all right the ankle got healed but not 1572 01:11:23,550 --> 01:11:21,140 the main hmm saying so there's you know 1573 01:11:27,370 --> 01:11:23,560 a certain part where you go okay well 1574 01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:27,380 I'll you know take that and go okay well 1575 01:11:31,390 --> 01:11:29,330 maybe not and then you have other people 1576 01:11:32,770 --> 01:11:31,400 that come up and tell you this thing and 1577 01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:32,780 you look at their eyes and you can tell 1578 01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:36,410 that they've witnessed something and you 1579 01:11:41,770 --> 01:11:39,290 know there's a natural skeptic you know 1580 01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:41,780 in me that that as much as I want to 1581 01:11:46,150 --> 01:11:43,130 believe I want to make sure that I am 1582 01:11:50,110 --> 01:11:46,160 you know donating to a worthy cause my 1583 01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:50,120 belief system and so I've had people 1584 01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:53,330 that have you know told me if they've 1585 01:11:57,940 --> 01:11:55,970 had these experiences and that they 1586 01:12:02,230 --> 01:11:57,950 didn't necessarily you know want them 1587 01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:02,240 and and you know the question the 1588 01:12:05,950 --> 01:12:04,130 $64,000 question is what do they want 1589 01:12:09,790 --> 01:12:05,960 other people who haven't experienced 1590 01:12:11,950 --> 01:12:09,800 that to know and their answer is you 1591 01:12:13,660 --> 01:12:11,960 know range but I think the main one that 1592 01:12:17,979 --> 01:12:13,670 I've gotten is you know 1593 01:12:20,260 --> 01:12:17,989 we just want people to understand that 1594 01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:20,270 that this is real that I'm having this 1595 01:12:26,890 --> 01:12:23,090 legitimate experience and to honor that 1596 01:12:29,020 --> 01:12:26,900 regardless of you know any kind of proof 1597 01:12:32,050 --> 01:12:29,030 or outcome this or that this is what's 1598 01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:32,060 happening and a lot of them are open to 1599 01:12:34,930 --> 01:12:33,290 the fact that they said you know this if 1600 01:12:39,090 --> 01:12:34,940 this is a psychosis and it's a psychosis 1601 01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:39,100 I hope it's just that but when I went to 1602 01:12:47,550 --> 01:12:43,489 this this one experiences group there 1603 01:12:51,820 --> 01:12:47,560 was a guy who was from the military 1604 01:12:56,620 --> 01:12:51,830 young guy it's got two young kids big 1605 01:13:00,430 --> 01:12:56,630 guy he came in and mentioned that his 1606 01:13:03,310 --> 01:13:00,440 kids said they were drawing pictures and 1607 01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:03,320 said that the little skeleton people 1608 01:13:12,399 --> 01:13:08,530 came to see them last night and he was 1609 01:13:15,340 --> 01:13:12,409 furious he's a big guy he was formidable 1610 01:13:16,780 --> 01:13:15,350 he was furious he wanted answers he was 1611 01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:16,790 demanding answers this was his first 1612 01:13:21,070 --> 01:13:20,000 meeting and he was pissed off he's like 1613 01:13:23,020 --> 01:13:21,080 you know I've been dealing with this 1614 01:13:23,979 --> 01:13:23,030 my whole life and now it's 1615 01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:23,989 happening to my kids 1616 01:13:27,340 --> 01:13:25,730 uh-uh we've never talked to them about 1617 01:13:28,510 --> 01:13:27,350 this they've never been aware of any of 1618 01:13:31,030 --> 01:13:28,520 this stuff I've been keeping it hidden 1619 01:13:32,109 --> 01:13:31,040 from them and now they're telling me you 1620 01:13:33,490 --> 01:13:32,119 know that they're experiencing these 1621 01:13:35,169 --> 01:13:33,500 little guys who come in with you know 1622 01:13:37,149 --> 01:13:35,179 the quick skeletons because they're big 1623 01:13:40,450 --> 01:13:37,159 black eyes and you know big heads and 1624 01:13:42,430 --> 01:13:40,460 they're thin and he's like what do I do 1625 01:13:44,830 --> 01:13:42,440 about this now because I can't have this 1626 01:13:48,669 --> 01:13:44,840 go on and in fact he wanted me to to 1627 01:13:51,010 --> 01:13:48,679 sneak into his house and videotape set 1628 01:13:53,140 --> 01:13:51,020 up cameras and hopefully catch them and 1629 01:13:55,450 --> 01:13:53,150 he said he had tried to do it and it 1630 01:13:57,310 --> 01:13:55,460 didn't work and he thought maybe by him 1631 01:14:00,879 --> 01:13:57,320 knowing about it he somehow was alerting 1632 01:14:03,669 --> 01:14:00,889 them and so my feeling was you know I I 1633 01:14:06,010 --> 01:14:03,679 don't have the time to go down that you 1634 01:14:09,370 --> 01:14:06,020 know rabbit hole to an extent but more 1635 01:14:10,750 --> 01:14:09,380 importantly if there the technology if 1636 01:14:12,700 --> 01:14:10,760 they're that advanced there's nothing I 1637 01:14:15,780 --> 01:14:12,710 can't go in there I can't I can't out 1638 01:14:18,340 --> 01:14:15,790 Wiley coyote aliens from another planet 1639 01:14:23,050 --> 01:14:18,350 it's you know just not going to happen 1640 01:14:24,550 --> 01:14:23,060 and so my feeling is that you know they 1641 01:14:26,770 --> 01:14:24,560 are super advanced if this is happening 1642 01:14:27,700 --> 01:14:26,780 and you know these people are 1643 01:14:30,070 --> 01:14:27,710 experiencing 1644 01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:30,080 most of them have integrated it that 1645 01:14:33,540 --> 01:14:31,760 have had this you know for many years 1646 01:14:37,900 --> 01:14:33,550 they've integrated into their lives and 1647 01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:37,910 look at it as a positive look at it as 1648 01:14:41,620 --> 01:14:40,250 I'm one of the chosen if you will that 1649 01:14:43,330 --> 01:14:41,630 doesn't mean that that they're going 1650 01:14:45,790 --> 01:14:43,340 around prancing around like they have 1651 01:14:46,150 --> 01:14:45,800 you know some superiority complex not at 1652 01:14:48,820 --> 01:14:46,160 all 1653 01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:48,830 they're just you know we were chosen for 1654 01:14:52,570 --> 01:14:50,690 whatever reason and we're accepting this 1655 01:14:54,340 --> 01:14:52,580 and a lot of times especially the 1656 01:14:58,170 --> 01:14:54,350 artists they incorporate that into their 1657 01:15:01,600 --> 01:14:58,180 work and so that's a that's a you know 1658 01:15:07,180 --> 01:15:01,610 that's important because I'm you know I 1659 01:15:08,590 --> 01:15:07,190 think if you could outwardly if you're 1660 01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:08,600 affected no matter what you do you're 1661 01:15:11,770 --> 01:15:10,010 affected that's gonna get projected out 1662 01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:11,780 into the world and so as long as that's 1663 01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:13,970 a positive message I'm all for that 1664 01:15:20,910 --> 01:15:17,570 so you studied the topic of you apology 1665 01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:20,920 most of your life in many different 1666 01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:24,770 respects from all different angles I'm 1667 01:15:30,430 --> 01:15:25,930 just curious 1668 01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:30,440 why did you choose the story of a family 1669 01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:34,370 being abducted on also such an important 1670 01:15:39,610 --> 01:15:36,650 day being a birthday for one of the 1671 01:15:43,390 --> 01:15:39,620 children and the family why did you 1672 01:15:46,690 --> 01:15:43,400 choose that particular and exact topic 1673 01:15:49,780 --> 01:15:46,700 to do for a movie well there was one 1674 01:15:52,030 --> 01:15:49,790 influenced one story that I had read 1675 01:15:55,660 --> 01:15:52,040 that influenced me more than any other 1676 01:15:59,350 --> 01:15:55,670 as far as the actual infrastructure of 1677 01:16:02,710 --> 01:15:59,360 this story which was the Kelley Hopson 1678 01:16:04,900 --> 01:16:02,720 Hopkinsville pop scandal yes I remember 1679 01:16:07,150 --> 01:16:04,910 that case yeah their family the family 1680 01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:07,160 that was accosted by extraterrestrials 1681 01:16:13,030 --> 01:16:09,530 there's a war between him in Kentucky 1682 01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:13,040 yeah yeah and Spielberg in fact was 1683 01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:15,410 going to tell that story with et the 1684 01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:17,210 original version was gonna be that and 1685 01:16:21,460 --> 01:16:19,850 then he found himself falling in love 1686 01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:21,470 with one of the aliens that was the 1687 01:16:28,270 --> 01:16:24,290 nicer alien meaty and so it morphed into 1688 01:16:31,570 --> 01:16:28,280 was become et and so I thought well you 1689 01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:31,580 know that didn't get taken advantage of 1690 01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:33,410 I love that story of a family that gets 1691 01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:35,210 you know attacked and the fact that it's 1692 01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:39,170 a nucleus of the family and and and you 1693 01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:40,850 know Spielberg who I'm you know great 1694 01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:42,090 admirer 1695 01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:44,850 all of his stories are family based all 1696 01:16:50,270 --> 01:16:47,850 of them are family related and so you 1697 01:16:52,190 --> 01:16:50,280 know and they're a broken family you 1698 01:16:55,130 --> 01:16:52,200 know from Close Encounters of families 1699 01:16:57,740 --> 01:16:55,140 fracturing is breaking down to ET 1700 01:17:01,730 --> 01:16:57,750 recently you know separated family you 1701 01:17:04,310 --> 01:17:01,740 know parents and so I grew up divorced 1702 01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:04,320 and so it just made sense for me to to 1703 01:17:10,340 --> 01:17:08,610 co-op that to tell that story from a way 1704 01:17:13,850 --> 01:17:10,350 that personalized it and made it like 1705 01:17:17,210 --> 01:17:13,860 you know middle America is experiencing 1706 01:17:19,550 --> 01:17:17,220 this thing and so that that was a huge 1707 01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:19,560 and that that story was was the big and 1708 01:17:24,740 --> 01:17:21,090 influence for me and I think that's why 1709 01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:24,750 I particularly gravitated towards that 1710 01:17:27,980 --> 01:17:26,400 story plus you get the full range you 1711 01:17:29,750 --> 01:17:27,990 get a child in there and then you have 1712 01:17:31,340 --> 01:17:29,760 you know someone up to you know a 60 1713 01:17:33,620 --> 01:17:31,350 something-year-old parent so you've got 1714 01:17:36,260 --> 01:17:33,630 full range of people of what their 1715 01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:36,270 experiences would be you know from young 1716 01:17:40,940 --> 01:17:38,970 to old a Dean doubling back really quick 1717 01:17:44,540 --> 01:17:40,950 you had mentioned artists having these 1718 01:17:46,190 --> 01:17:44,550 contact experiences certainly a lot of 1719 01:17:47,780 --> 01:17:46,200 the classic rockers seem to be very 1720 01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:47,790 upfront about it talk about it very 1721 01:17:54,980 --> 01:17:50,880 openly Hendrix and David Bowie or two 1722 01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:54,990 that really jump to mind it yep yep well 1723 01:17:58,700 --> 01:17:56,250 yeah yeah he had a sighting uh 1724 01:18:01,070 --> 01:17:58,710 definitely a Hendrix wrote songs of 1725 01:18:03,470 --> 01:18:01,080 Sammy Hagar we Sammy Hagar with the 1726 01:18:03,890 --> 01:18:03,480 abduction you're you're in the movie 1727 01:18:06,380 --> 01:18:03,900 business 1728 01:18:07,700 --> 01:18:06,390 without dropping any names necessarily 1729 01:18:09,620 --> 01:18:07,710 although we'd be glad to hear him if 1730 01:18:12,250 --> 01:18:09,630 you've got him but have you heard any 1731 01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:12,260 stories from folks in the film industry 1732 01:18:17,540 --> 01:18:14,810 recounting these types of things 1733 01:18:21,620 --> 01:18:17,550 scuttlebutt does this kind of thing come 1734 01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:21,630 up in Hollywood I could tell you but the 1735 01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:25,650 men in black you don't want that so I'm 1736 01:18:31,370 --> 01:18:28,410 going to no I've never had I've never 1737 01:18:34,570 --> 01:18:31,380 intersected with them anyone I mean I've 1738 01:18:36,950 --> 01:18:34,580 heard stories of uh I think it was 1739 01:18:41,300 --> 01:18:36,960 Whitley Strieber mentioned it I think it 1740 01:18:44,480 --> 01:18:41,310 was um Rosie O'Donnell had her own 1741 01:18:46,220 --> 01:18:44,490 experience I know that Yvonne Smith has 1742 01:18:49,090 --> 01:18:46,230 said that she does have some clients and 1743 01:18:51,290 --> 01:18:49,100 stuff that are that are known people 1744 01:18:53,750 --> 01:18:51,300 enough that it's happening enough that 1745 01:18:55,390 --> 01:18:53,760 people keep it on the down-low but I 1746 01:18:58,030 --> 01:18:55,400 haven't intersected 1747 01:19:01,980 --> 01:18:58,040 with that and what's interesting is 1748 01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:01,990 Yvonne and some of the people in in her 1749 01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:07,250 group wonderful people they said that 1750 01:19:11,500 --> 01:19:09,010 there had been a crew that had filmed 1751 01:19:13,270 --> 01:19:11,510 one or two of them before and we're 1752 01:19:14,470 --> 01:19:13,280 listening to you know something that 1753 01:19:15,490 --> 01:19:14,480 knew nothing about this and we're 1754 01:19:17,350 --> 01:19:15,500 listening to some of the questions and 1755 01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:17,360 then they are some of the answers that 1756 01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:18,850 they were saying in the interviews 1757 01:19:24,190 --> 01:19:21,410 giving it and they realized that they 1758 01:19:24,820 --> 01:19:24,200 had earmark you know the signs of being 1759 01:19:30,100 --> 01:19:24,830 abducted 1760 01:19:33,310 --> 01:19:30,110 now I'm someone who is avidly interested 1761 01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:33,320 in this subject and I have come through 1762 01:19:38,530 --> 01:19:35,810 my childhood and through my life with a 1763 01:19:41,890 --> 01:19:38,540 fine-tooth comb looking for missing time 1764 01:19:43,500 --> 01:19:41,900 looking for anything signs you know of 1765 01:19:48,580 --> 01:19:43,510 you know waking up with a bloody nose 1766 01:19:52,810 --> 01:19:48,590 you know from that to anything zero it's 1767 01:19:54,790 --> 01:19:52,820 really upsetting but I I see you know 1768 01:19:56,830 --> 01:19:54,800 these people that have experienced this 1769 01:19:59,560 --> 01:19:56,840 and I know there's a lot of people that 1770 01:20:01,930 --> 01:19:59,570 want to be a part of a group and so it's 1771 01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:01,940 easy for people to co-op that because 1772 01:20:05,350 --> 01:20:03,530 there's no way you can prove that like 1773 01:20:07,450 --> 01:20:05,360 if someone says you know I'm a Vietnam 1774 01:20:10,450 --> 01:20:07,460 vet and I'm I'm part of that subculture 1775 01:20:12,100 --> 01:20:10,460 now and well you can prove it by pulling 1776 01:20:14,230 --> 01:20:12,110 up records you can't do that with you 1777 01:20:20,830 --> 01:20:14,240 know you know show me the alien secret 1778 01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:20,840 handshake so it's it's you know I don't 1779 01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:22,730 you know the people that I've spoken 1780 01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:26,330 with they're you know terrified still 1781 01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:27,770 you know it's it's stressful they've 1782 01:20:29,950 --> 01:20:29,090 made peace with it they kind of go with 1783 01:20:32,650 --> 01:20:29,960 it as best they can 1784 01:20:36,100 --> 01:20:32,660 I don't want that you know what my you 1785 01:20:39,700 --> 01:20:36,110 know you know my offspring and their 1786 01:20:44,380 --> 01:20:39,710 offspring to experience that so I'm fine 1787 01:20:45,940 --> 01:20:44,390 being you know a bystander in this I'd 1788 01:20:49,480 --> 01:20:45,950 like to have my experience with them but 1789 01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:49,490 I don't want to be you know I don't want 1790 01:20:53,500 --> 01:20:50,810 it you know I don't want the probe I 1791 01:20:55,480 --> 01:20:53,510 guess that's what I'm saying and that 1792 01:20:57,430 --> 01:20:55,490 just for the record everybody in my 1793 01:20:59,500 --> 01:20:57,440 younger days I experienced lots of 1794 01:21:03,490 --> 01:20:59,510 missing time but I can assure you all it 1795 01:21:08,669 --> 01:21:03,500 was not EQ I'm thinking I'm going back 1796 01:21:10,979 --> 01:21:08,679 to Jimi Hendrix now psychedelics 1797 01:21:15,209 --> 01:21:10,989 something anecdotal I wanted to bring up 1798 01:21:18,029 --> 01:21:15,219 that's totally random which Dean and I 1799 01:21:21,180 --> 01:21:18,039 had talked about the florist UFO 1800 01:21:23,580 --> 01:21:21,190 investigator dr. Jacques Vallee had said 1801 01:21:26,250 --> 01:21:23,590 he had uncovered and found out that 1802 01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:26,260 during the Watergate trials false flag 1803 01:21:30,779 --> 01:21:28,570 plans were uncovered and originating in 1804 01:21:32,879 --> 01:21:30,789 the White House to fake the second 1805 01:21:35,700 --> 01:21:32,889 coming of Christ by using Holograms 1806 01:21:38,220 --> 01:21:35,710 mounted on a surface on the surface of a 1807 01:21:41,700 --> 01:21:38,230 submarine which would result in an 1808 01:21:46,770 --> 01:21:41,710 attack on Cuba and you just thought that 1809 01:21:52,009 --> 01:21:46,780 was hilarious Dean yeah well with all 1810 01:21:56,759 --> 01:21:52,019 due huge respect for Jacques the lie yes 1811 01:21:59,839 --> 01:21:56,769 professor the thing is the the 1812 01:22:05,009 --> 01:21:59,849 government has never had a shortage of 1813 01:22:07,470 --> 01:22:05,019 ridiculous asinine ideas so I don't 1814 01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:07,480 doubt that that actually happened I'll 1815 01:22:13,589 --> 01:22:10,090 totally endorse that and if Jacque says 1816 01:22:18,540 --> 01:22:13,599 it happened it happened the problem is 1817 01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:18,550 and we'll just go back 18 years okay to 1818 01:22:30,359 --> 01:22:24,610 9/11 okay so here these two planes fly 1819 01:22:32,580 --> 01:22:30,369 in take down these buildings and so the 1820 01:22:35,430 --> 01:22:32,590 conspiracies start in those buildings 1821 01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:35,440 never should have been taken down you 1822 01:22:37,620 --> 01:22:37,210 know we controlled all of that we set it 1823 01:22:39,180 --> 01:22:37,630 up 1824 01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:39,190 why were they detonated there was some 1825 01:22:44,569 --> 01:22:40,690 other building that we all this stuff 1826 01:22:50,100 --> 01:22:44,579 and it goes on and on and on and then 1827 01:22:52,109 --> 01:22:50,110 from that we end up in Iraq because they 1828 01:22:56,069 --> 01:22:52,119 have weapons of mass destruction and 1829 01:22:58,229 --> 01:22:56,079 guess what happens we get there are 1830 01:23:00,779 --> 01:22:58,239 there any weapons of mass destruction no 1831 01:23:03,390 --> 01:23:00,789 so you're telling me that the government 1832 01:23:07,410 --> 01:23:03,400 engineered two planes flying perfectly 1833 01:23:10,970 --> 01:23:07,420 into the twin towers and detonated it 1834 01:23:16,189 --> 01:23:10,980 and hit all that and executed that 1835 01:23:19,910 --> 01:23:16,199 amazingly precise you know choreography 1836 01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:19,920 but they couldn't plant 1837 01:23:24,020 --> 01:23:22,170 weapons items of mass destruction they 1838 01:23:28,340 --> 01:23:24,030 couldn't have have had those brought in 1839 01:23:32,870 --> 01:23:28,350 shipped in and set that up that's a huge 1840 01:23:34,310 --> 01:23:32,880 huge mistake so it doesn't make that's 1841 01:23:36,370 --> 01:23:34,320 giving the government too much Kurt that 1842 01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:36,380 they could actually pull off something 1843 01:23:41,420 --> 01:23:39,450 like that again I do think the 1844 01:23:43,250 --> 01:23:41,430 government schemes and comes up with 1845 01:23:47,510 --> 01:23:43,260 stuff and some things they've tried and 1846 01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:47,520 and you know failed abundantly but as 1847 01:23:53,570 --> 01:23:50,370 far as you know when I look back at the 1848 01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:53,580 government and and their interaction you 1849 01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:56,250 know with UFOs I'll just go to my 1850 01:24:05,150 --> 01:23:59,280 hometown of Los Angeles and we can talk 1851 01:24:07,820 --> 01:24:05,160 about the you know the the LA you know 1852 01:24:10,700 --> 01:24:07,830 battle for LA where you've got all of 1853 01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:10,710 these ships being seen UFOs being seeing 1854 01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:13,170 one big one and everyone's firing up at 1855 01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:17,010 that you know that happened in the party 1856 01:24:23,540 --> 01:24:20,130 - yeah and 42 and so right after you 1857 01:24:28,340 --> 01:24:23,550 know you're after you know Pearl Harbor 1858 01:24:29,630 --> 01:24:28,350 so we've you know that was that's pretty 1859 01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:29,640 credible I don't know how to get more 1860 01:24:33,890 --> 01:24:31,890 credible than than that people sought 1861 01:24:37,550 --> 01:24:33,900 thousands of people saw it people still 1862 01:24:40,310 --> 01:24:37,560 alive talk about that so you know to 1863 01:24:42,260 --> 01:24:40,320 stage something like that that you know 1864 01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:42,270 you can't we don't have the technology 1865 01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:44,880 to do that back then but you know same 1866 01:24:49,100 --> 01:24:46,410 thing with the moon landing homes people 1867 01:24:51,830 --> 01:24:49,110 don't believe that we got people to the 1868 01:24:53,210 --> 01:24:51,840 moon but I remember watching those moon 1869 01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:53,220 walks live when they were getting 1870 01:24:58,850 --> 01:24:56,010 broadcast you know back in the late 60s 1871 01:25:01,010 --> 01:24:58,860 into the very early 70s and I watched 1872 01:25:03,590 --> 01:25:01,020 every science fiction film including 1873 01:25:06,020 --> 01:25:03,600 2001 back in those days too and I'm 1874 01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:06,030 telling you they didn't fake any of that 1875 01:25:11,690 --> 01:25:08,970 stuff but pretty much everything looked 1876 01:25:13,870 --> 01:25:11,700 pretty fake that was done in the science 1877 01:25:16,940 --> 01:25:13,880 fiction realm back in those days and 1878 01:25:19,370 --> 01:25:16,950 nothing around money 1879 01:25:21,860 --> 01:25:19,380 yes daily Kubrick took great folly with 1880 01:25:23,810 --> 01:25:21,870 you know that the theories that he had 1881 01:25:25,090 --> 01:25:23,820 created the moon you know because his 1882 01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:25,100 stuff was so good that they he had 1883 01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:28,050 actually created the moon landing my 1884 01:25:33,770 --> 01:25:30,930 favorite is you don't see any stars why 1885 01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:33,780 are there no stars and I'm like okay 1886 01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:35,840 do you know the surface of the Moon is 1887 01:25:42,020 --> 01:25:40,050 really pale light gray super bright when 1888 01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:42,030 you adjust your camera to be able to 1889 01:25:46,490 --> 01:25:43,920 expose for that so you can see the 1890 01:25:48,379 --> 01:25:46,500 crevasses and craters and stuff your 1891 01:25:51,649 --> 01:25:48,389 that exposure is not going to be able to 1892 01:25:53,450 --> 01:25:51,659 hold little pinpoint dots as well yeah 1893 01:25:54,799 --> 01:25:53,460 yeah well now when they're on the moon 1894 01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:54,809 doing those moon walks it's broad 1895 01:25:58,430 --> 01:25:56,730 daylight on the moon the reason the sky 1896 01:26:00,100 --> 01:25:58,440 is black this is because they don't have 1897 01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:00,110 the atmosphere that we do here on earth 1898 01:26:04,490 --> 01:26:02,730 exactly and and and if you look up the 1899 01:26:06,020 --> 01:26:04,500 reason why to some degree correct me if 1900 01:26:09,109 --> 01:26:06,030 I'm wrong but like you'll have a blue 1901 01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:09,119 sky and stuff because some of it is also 1902 01:26:14,060 --> 01:26:11,130 because some of the color is also 1903 01:26:14,839 --> 01:26:14,070 reflective of you know the oceans and 1904 01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:14,849 stuff like that 1905 01:26:20,359 --> 01:26:18,570 etc so you know which which leads me 1906 01:26:23,270 --> 01:26:20,369 back to my favorite topic which are the 1907 01:26:27,740 --> 01:26:23,280 flat earthers Oh God 1908 01:26:30,589 --> 01:26:27,750 how did we get here see see this is 1909 01:26:32,839 --> 01:26:30,599 where I go I'm from another planet and 1910 01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:32,849 I'm gonna come to a planet where some of 1911 01:26:39,620 --> 01:26:34,650 the people can't even agree that the 1912 01:26:42,379 --> 01:26:39,630 planet is a planet right also I wanted 1913 01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:42,389 to ask you if there's any budding movie 1914 01:26:47,779 --> 01:26:44,610 directors out there anybody that aspires 1915 01:26:50,450 --> 01:26:47,789 to do movies just you know it'd be 1916 01:26:52,549 --> 01:26:50,460 important for them to be able to hear 1917 01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:52,559 what kind of advice you might have as 1918 01:26:58,160 --> 01:26:55,050 far as equipment if you wouldn't mind 1919 01:27:00,350 --> 01:26:58,170 just rattling off a few things regarding 1920 01:27:03,140 --> 01:27:00,360 what you might advise people to consider 1921 01:27:04,810 --> 01:27:03,150 buying and what kind of budget that you 1922 01:27:09,319 --> 01:27:04,820 might need in order to create their own 1923 01:27:11,779 --> 01:27:09,329 movies even if it's just you know with 1924 01:27:14,209 --> 01:27:11,789 what little equipment they might be able 1925 01:27:15,709 --> 01:27:14,219 to afford well I wish you would have 1926 01:27:17,299 --> 01:27:15,719 given me heads up on this because I 1927 01:27:22,779 --> 01:27:17,309 would have gotten a sponsor so I could 1928 01:27:26,569 --> 01:27:22,789 get some free equipment so boring that 1929 01:27:29,060 --> 01:27:26,579 well separate from the beg borrow and 1930 01:27:31,430 --> 01:27:29,070 steal school of filmmaking which is 1931 01:27:32,990 --> 01:27:31,440 which I start out being a part of and 1932 01:27:37,459 --> 01:27:33,000 you can't always rent stuff in a pinch 1933 01:27:40,609 --> 01:27:37,469 yes in fact I rented the original UFO 1934 01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:40,619 abduction and by the way the name the 1935 01:27:46,430 --> 01:27:43,050 Macpherson tape was the original name of 1936 01:27:47,209 --> 01:27:46,440 the remake and when we went up to shoot 1937 01:27:50,060 --> 01:27:47,219 it 1938 01:27:51,979 --> 01:27:50,070 Vancouver the didn't name was I've got 1939 01:27:54,589 --> 01:27:51,989 my cap that says you know the McPherson 1940 01:27:58,700 --> 01:27:54,599 tapes or make sure McPherson tape that 1941 01:28:00,500 --> 01:27:58,710 was the name that we had and then when 1942 01:28:02,649 --> 01:28:00,510 we got back everyone got everyone was 1943 01:28:04,910 --> 01:28:02,659 fired at UPN and so when we came back 1944 01:28:06,859 --> 01:28:04,920 again we were still two head of the 1945 01:28:07,879 --> 01:28:06,869 curve we were ahead by a year and a half 1946 01:28:10,399 --> 01:28:07,889 Blair which came out a year and half 1947 01:28:12,430 --> 01:28:10,409 later the new head of the the company 1948 01:28:15,410 --> 01:28:12,440 was like what the hell is this 1949 01:28:16,549 --> 01:28:15,420 we're you know we're taking this over 1950 01:28:18,169 --> 01:28:16,559 going to cut it down to an hour we're 1951 01:28:21,259 --> 01:28:18,179 gonna change the name from the McPherson 1952 01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:21,269 tape to alien-abduction instant Lake 1953 01:28:25,729 --> 01:28:24,090 County and so I had no say in that they 1954 01:28:27,890 --> 01:28:25,739 just took it and did that and then they 1955 01:28:30,979 --> 01:28:27,900 did interviews with people like Stan 1956 01:28:32,839 --> 01:28:30,989 Freedman who I did not interview I 1957 01:28:34,850 --> 01:28:32,849 interviewed all the fictional people and 1958 01:28:37,759 --> 01:28:34,860 everything and so this this woman 1959 01:28:40,279 --> 01:28:37,769 producer came on board and shot real UFO 1960 01:28:41,779 --> 01:28:40,289 experts including yvonne smith including 1961 01:28:44,270 --> 01:28:41,789 yourself you interviewed yourself in 1962 01:28:46,250 --> 01:28:44,280 that movie well that's not in the the 1963 01:28:49,250 --> 01:28:46,260 domestic one hour version the foreign 1964 01:28:51,830 --> 01:28:49,260 version kept the name McPhearson tape 1965 01:28:54,890 --> 01:28:51,840 and a lot of markets and so that's why 1966 01:28:57,049 --> 01:28:54,900 it has the kind of AKA you know also 1967 01:28:58,850 --> 01:28:57,059 known as the mcpherson tape and then 1968 01:29:00,109 --> 01:28:58,860 over the years for some reason the 1969 01:29:04,189 --> 01:29:00,119 original one has been called the 1970 01:29:06,739 --> 01:29:04,199 original mcpherson tape so it's a little 1971 01:29:09,669 --> 01:29:06,749 bit confusing the conspiracies or the 1972 01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:09,679 the tracking of the of the you know the 1973 01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:12,090 film history of this but just to clear 1974 01:29:17,060 --> 01:29:14,010 it up that's uh giving back to the 1975 01:29:20,259 --> 01:29:17,070 up-and-coming next filmmaker who's going 1976 01:29:25,250 --> 01:29:20,269 to encroach on my filmmaking territory I 1977 01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:25,260 will say DSLR cameras are terrific you 1978 01:29:32,410 --> 01:29:29,610 know I've got a Canon 5d Mark 3 love 1979 01:29:34,549 --> 01:29:32,420 that camera it's terrific amazing 1980 01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:34,559 there's a cheaper camera right now 1981 01:29:42,350 --> 01:29:38,880 called Blackmagic Cinema pocket camera 1982 01:29:45,950 --> 01:29:42,360 which is a 4k camera which means a 1983 01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:45,960 resolution is is very high that camera 1984 01:29:55,359 --> 01:29:52,530 is $1300 and it comes with a $300 color 1985 01:29:57,799 --> 01:29:55,369 grading where you can color the film app 1986 01:30:00,319 --> 01:29:57,809 so really the cameras only a thousand 1987 01:30:00,919 --> 01:30:00,329 bucks it's a great great Buy that's 1988 01:30:01,669 --> 01:30:00,929 that's the 1989 01:30:03,620 --> 01:30:01,679 the camera to get out there 1990 01:30:05,810 --> 01:30:03,630 unfortunately it's in such demand and 1991 01:30:09,410 --> 01:30:05,820 they just came out with it last year 1992 01:30:12,410 --> 01:30:09,420 that you can order it but it's in pre 1993 01:30:14,029 --> 01:30:12,420 and pre order you if you look really 1994 01:30:15,620 --> 01:30:14,039 hard you can find places but they've 1995 01:30:17,179 --> 01:30:15,630 jacked the price up we can fund on ebay 1996 01:30:20,830 --> 01:30:17,189 stuff like that but that's a great 1997 01:30:24,379 --> 01:30:20,840 camera the thing that I always encourage 1998 01:30:25,580 --> 01:30:24,389 young filmmakers is don't just grab a 1999 01:30:28,399 --> 01:30:25,590 camera and think because it's 2000 01:30:31,069 --> 01:30:28,409 high-definition by high definition I 2001 01:30:32,029 --> 01:30:31,079 mean it's high resolution 4k that it's 2002 01:30:35,449 --> 01:30:32,039 gonna do all the work 2003 01:30:37,609 --> 01:30:35,459 no you have to light you have to light 2004 01:30:40,250 --> 01:30:37,619 and luckily lights are super cheap you 2005 01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:40,260 can get these LED panels that you can 2006 01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:43,050 adjust the color so that if you're 2007 01:30:49,729 --> 01:30:45,530 inside you would do what is called 2008 01:30:51,859 --> 01:30:49,739 tungsten and that has a warmer look 2009 01:30:53,330 --> 01:30:51,869 because lights usually are balanced to 2010 01:30:56,209 --> 01:30:53,340 that so it matches and then when you're 2011 01:30:59,899 --> 01:30:56,219 outside you do what's you know daylight 2012 01:31:02,299 --> 01:30:59,909 which is a cooler more bluish light but 2013 01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:02,309 these stains are very cheap when we were 2014 01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:04,170 talking like a couple hundred bucks or 2015 01:31:07,850 --> 01:31:06,570 less some of them are like 50 bucks but 2016 01:31:10,759 --> 01:31:07,860 you can get the equipment and everything 2017 01:31:13,429 --> 01:31:10,769 get loaded up for bear for easily you 2018 01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:13,439 know less than a lot less than five 2019 01:31:17,719 --> 01:31:15,570 thousand dollars when I was starting out 2020 01:31:22,100 --> 01:31:17,729 you know it was 16 millimeter and the 2021 01:31:25,399 --> 01:31:22,110 film is super expensive and so you know 2022 01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:25,409 with regards to what you do with it tell 2023 01:31:31,129 --> 01:31:28,050 stories that are your story you know 2024 01:31:33,410 --> 01:31:31,139 it's okay to spend some time in in 2025 01:31:35,839 --> 01:31:33,420 wresting development where you are 2026 01:31:38,270 --> 01:31:35,849 imitating your heroes and you're trying 2027 01:31:40,489 --> 01:31:38,280 to do that on a low budget and stuff you 2028 01:31:41,959 --> 01:31:40,499 know that impulse is gonna be there so 2029 01:31:44,089 --> 01:31:41,969 just fulfill it go ahead and make those 2030 01:31:46,390 --> 01:31:44,099 crappy films that are overextending 2031 01:31:48,859 --> 01:31:46,400 yourself I have several of them myself 2032 01:31:50,270 --> 01:31:48,869 but the thing that's going to set you 2033 01:31:52,339 --> 01:31:50,280 apart the thing that's gonna get you 2034 01:31:55,270 --> 01:31:52,349 where you want to go as far as being 2035 01:31:57,620 --> 01:31:55,280 someone who's an artist and being paid 2036 01:32:01,520 --> 01:31:57,630 well especially just being an artist is 2037 01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:01,530 finding your voice we all want to hear 2038 01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:03,570 new voices there is nothing more 2039 01:32:08,750 --> 01:32:06,050 appealing no special effect more 2040 01:32:10,459 --> 01:32:08,760 impressive than having some new voice 2041 01:32:11,989 --> 01:32:10,469 that comes through so and encourage 2042 01:32:13,339 --> 01:32:11,999 anyone it doesn't matter what you're 2043 01:32:14,690 --> 01:32:13,349 shooting on whether it's your iPhone 2044 01:32:18,110 --> 01:32:14,700 Steven Soderbergh just may 2045 01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:18,120 his second film shot on an iPhone so it 2046 01:32:22,820 --> 01:32:20,010 really doesn't matter anymore it's just 2047 01:32:26,830 --> 01:32:22,830 have an interesting story and try to 2048 01:32:30,530 --> 01:32:26,840 tell it in a way that serves that story 2049 01:32:34,610 --> 01:32:30,540 so you know if you have a story that's a 2050 01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:34,620 you know a human condition story you 2051 01:32:38,330 --> 01:32:37,170 know you can tell it maybe handheld and 2052 01:32:41,150 --> 01:32:38,340 if you're gonna do you know some 2053 01:32:43,670 --> 01:32:41,160 thrilling put the camera on tripod and 2054 01:32:45,470 --> 01:32:43,680 stuff and try it you know do that watch 2055 01:32:48,050 --> 01:32:45,480 other filmmakers learn from them but um 2056 01:32:49,850 --> 01:32:48,060 but allow yourself to make mistakes find 2057 01:32:51,380 --> 01:32:49,860 your voice find what's unique about you 2058 01:32:52,910 --> 01:32:51,390 what do you have to say otherwise put 2059 01:32:55,070 --> 01:32:52,920 the mic down there's other people that 2060 01:32:58,100 --> 01:32:55,080 would you know that want to pick that up 2061 01:32:59,900 --> 01:32:58,110 and and say something and that applies 2062 01:33:03,320 --> 01:32:59,910 to documentary as well as any kind of 2063 01:33:06,860 --> 01:33:03,330 fictional film god yes absolutely yeah 2064 01:33:08,090 --> 01:33:06,870 have a point be open to having to change 2065 01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:08,100 because you'll get on your interview 2066 01:33:12,290 --> 01:33:09,690 people and you've had this idea this 2067 01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:12,300 conceit while my documentaries about 2068 01:33:17,990 --> 01:33:15,210 this let it tell you like when I write a 2069 01:33:20,270 --> 01:33:18,000 script I start out I used to do a ton of 2070 01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:20,280 outlining and then and I still 2071 01:33:24,350 --> 01:33:22,050 occasionally do that but at some point 2072 01:33:27,440 --> 01:33:24,360 when I start writing I burn the outline 2073 01:33:30,500 --> 01:33:27,450 I don't I don't go back to it I let the 2074 01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:30,510 story inform me I let it tell me where 2075 01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:33,810 to go there are I believe there are like 2076 01:33:39,530 --> 01:33:36,090 you know muses that we have out there in 2077 01:33:41,210 --> 01:33:39,540 fact it was the common practice for the 2078 01:33:43,490 --> 01:33:41,220 the artists you know 2079 01:33:45,500 --> 01:33:43,500 Plato's time and before that would give 2080 01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:45,510 credit to their muses and people who 2081 01:33:49,310 --> 01:33:47,730 would read their stuff or see their art 2082 01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:49,320 they would say wow they must have an 2083 01:33:55,180 --> 01:33:50,370 amazing muse 2084 01:33:59,360 --> 01:33:55,190 you know you get ideas Devine you know 2085 01:34:01,700 --> 01:33:59,370 ideas come Sparkle you know some 2086 01:34:03,380 --> 01:34:01,710 catalyst some idea will hit you I think 2087 01:34:06,050 --> 01:34:03,390 that you know comes from something 2088 01:34:06,620 --> 01:34:06,060 greater than us and and why not and how 2089 01:34:10,460 --> 01:34:06,630 cool is that 2090 01:34:14,380 --> 01:34:10,470 so yeah a few questions I have our why 2091 01:34:17,060 --> 01:34:14,390 did you use the found-footage technique 2092 01:34:19,460 --> 01:34:17,070 I'll just start off with that one why 2093 01:34:20,500 --> 01:34:19,470 did you use that kind of style your 2094 01:34:25,370 --> 01:34:20,510 budget 2095 01:34:27,410 --> 01:34:25,380 and then the other question I have is do 2096 01:34:28,070 --> 01:34:27,420 you feel your film is as relevant today 2097 01:34:39,590 --> 01:34:28,080 as 2098 01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:39,600 my answer can I cheat yes it might have 2099 01:34:48,830 --> 01:34:45,690 changed I would say that I mean it's 2100 01:34:53,780 --> 01:34:48,840 relevant this in a historic sense I 2101 01:34:55,610 --> 01:34:53,790 guess I'm sorry I'm reaching around to 2102 01:34:57,050 --> 01:34:55,620 Pat myself on the back hold on okay 2103 01:35:00,710 --> 01:34:57,060 there we go 2104 01:35:02,300 --> 01:35:00,720 the I didn't intend to be the first one 2105 01:35:04,130 --> 01:35:02,310 to do it and I know there's a whole big 2106 01:35:05,540 --> 01:35:04,140 controversy like you go online you'll 2107 01:35:06,650 --> 01:35:05,550 see that people around what is the first 2108 01:35:12,140 --> 01:35:06,660 film footage and they'll say it's 2109 01:35:13,970 --> 01:35:12,150 Cannibal Holocaust and I go that's not 2110 01:35:16,670 --> 01:35:13,980 actually a found footage movie guys 2111 01:35:18,980 --> 01:35:16,680 sorry a found footage film is a film by 2112 01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:18,990 definition that has been found in its 2113 01:35:22,340 --> 01:35:20,970 entirety it's usually a film that is 2114 01:35:25,700 --> 01:35:22,350 accompanied with a disclaimer in the 2115 01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:25,710 front or an introduction that says this 2116 01:35:32,330 --> 01:35:27,810 footage was found and here it is uncut 2117 01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:32,340 all laid out and so found footage you 2118 01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:35,010 know that the strictest term of it I 2119 01:35:40,010 --> 01:35:37,650 guess I would be the first one to do 2120 01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:40,020 that and Bloody Disgusting that did a 2121 01:35:42,950 --> 01:35:41,130 little thing on that which I found 2122 01:35:44,510 --> 01:35:42,960 really amusing it doesn't matter I was 2123 01:35:46,850 --> 01:35:44,520 one of the people however you want to 2124 01:35:50,660 --> 01:35:46,860 say doesn't matter for me it was um you 2125 01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:50,670 know I that is relevant in that it's a 2126 01:35:56,060 --> 01:35:53,370 new narrative there hasn't been really a 2127 01:35:58,970 --> 01:35:56,070 narrative in filmmaking since you know 2128 01:36:01,190 --> 01:35:58,980 maybe the invention of you know 2129 01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:01,200 well the mockumentary the fake 2130 01:36:06,650 --> 01:36:03,690 documentary yeah and then before that I 2131 01:36:10,070 --> 01:36:06,660 would say editing you know the idea that 2132 01:36:12,500 --> 01:36:10,080 you can edit from one timeframe you know 2133 01:36:14,060 --> 01:36:12,510 not not just flashbacks but the Great 2134 01:36:16,220 --> 01:36:14,070 Train Robbery was the first one to 2135 01:36:17,900 --> 01:36:16,230 utilize that silent film where they went 2136 01:36:19,700 --> 01:36:17,910 from one part of the train to the other 2137 01:36:22,010 --> 01:36:19,710 and they cut back and forth it wasn't 2138 01:36:25,370 --> 01:36:22,020 considered genius you know at the time 2139 01:36:28,700 --> 01:36:25,380 and and then opened things up for you 2140 01:36:32,270 --> 01:36:28,710 know other types of editing techniques 2141 01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:32,280 so I would say that it's relevant in 2142 01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:34,170 that it was kind of one of the you know 2143 01:36:50,580 --> 01:36:46,010 I would say it's still relevant in that 2144 01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:50,590 it's it's still showing something that 2145 01:36:55,350 --> 01:36:52,330 that is still going on and we don't have 2146 01:36:57,660 --> 01:36:55,360 answers to and so may be anything just 2147 01:37:00,240 --> 01:36:57,670 like rereading communion not that I'm 2148 01:37:02,460 --> 01:37:00,250 saying there on unequal territory at all 2149 01:37:06,420 --> 01:37:02,470 equal level but I'm saying that that's 2150 01:37:07,740 --> 01:37:06,430 something that you know is an example 2151 01:37:09,330 --> 01:37:07,750 it's it's not like it's so prevalent 2152 01:37:13,140 --> 01:37:09,340 that there's alien abduction films out 2153 01:37:15,870 --> 01:37:13,150 there that are that I'm aware of you 2154 01:37:19,050 --> 01:37:15,880 know there's been a few out there like 2155 01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:19,060 the Fourth Kind and stuff like that but 2156 01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:20,890 there for me it really has there has it 2157 01:37:25,140 --> 01:37:22,330 still hasn't been one that really 2158 01:37:26,670 --> 01:37:25,150 answers it and that one you know I would 2159 01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:26,680 hope to make myself which would be 2160 01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:29,130 somewhere between Close Encounters and 2161 01:37:34,230 --> 01:37:31,410 contact mm-hm 2162 01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:34,240 worth it's done in a way that you know 2163 01:37:41,270 --> 01:37:37,090 we're not even contact maybe it's a mesh 2164 01:37:45,060 --> 01:37:41,280 of you know close encounters and and and 2165 01:37:46,440 --> 01:37:45,070 you know something you know alien 2166 01:37:48,450 --> 01:37:46,450 abduction where we actually get a chance 2167 01:37:54,570 --> 01:37:48,460 to see the abduction going down but done 2168 01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:54,580 in a way that's really really precise 2169 01:37:57,900 --> 01:37:56,530 with regards to following what people 2170 01:38:02,430 --> 01:37:57,910 you know believe take it to the next 2171 01:38:04,110 --> 01:38:02,440 level you know you know I think it can 2172 01:38:06,770 --> 01:38:04,120 be compared to the book because you do 2173 01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:06,780 have a massive following of fans 2174 01:38:12,980 --> 01:38:10,570 regarding your movie and then I did want 2175 01:38:15,780 --> 01:38:12,990 to ask you if you could interview an 2176 01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:15,790 extraterrestrial being what questions 2177 01:38:28,260 --> 01:38:25,650 would you ask do they have avocado plant 2178 01:38:28,860 --> 01:38:28,270 what the hell is up with a pit it's so 2179 01:38:38,430 --> 01:38:28,870 huge 2180 01:38:44,970 --> 01:38:38,440 I don't waste I would weigh what would I 2181 01:38:50,970 --> 01:38:44,980 say are ask I think I would I think I 2182 01:38:56,370 --> 01:38:53,610 based on where we are now what we've 2183 01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:56,380 what our track record is where we're 2184 01:39:00,240 --> 01:38:56,890 headed 2185 01:39:01,250 --> 01:39:00,250 are we gonna make it that's a great 2186 01:39:03,750 --> 01:39:01,260 question 2187 01:39:06,780 --> 01:39:03,760 Dean really quick just to cycle back to 2188 01:39:09,240 --> 01:39:06,790 the tech talk a little bit can you talk 2189 01:39:10,980 --> 01:39:09,250 a little bit about lenses for people who 2190 01:39:14,130 --> 01:39:10,990 were interested in getting into all this 2191 01:39:16,620 --> 01:39:14,140 that can be just that's especially with 2192 01:39:18,630 --> 01:39:16,630 the DSLR cameras obviously you can 2193 01:39:23,070 --> 01:39:18,640 attach any lens that that particular 2194 01:39:24,480 --> 01:39:23,080 manufacturer makes to their camera talk 2195 01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:24,490 a little bit about lenses if you can a 2196 01:39:28,230 --> 01:39:26,650 little bit that'd be something that 2197 01:39:30,060 --> 01:39:28,240 might get overlooked a little bit by 2198 01:39:31,830 --> 01:39:30,070 folks just getting into cameras and gear 2199 01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:31,840 and all that that's the thing that fits 2200 01:39:39,420 --> 01:39:34,210 on the front of camera right as far as I 2201 01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:39,430 know yes it depends what you you know 2202 01:39:43,770 --> 01:39:41,290 there's some filmmakers I love this 2203 01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:43,780 they'll do is they'll pick one lens and 2204 01:39:47,100 --> 01:39:45,250 they'll say that's the lens I'm gonna 2205 01:39:48,900 --> 01:39:47,110 choose for my home movie everything's 2206 01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:48,910 gonna be showing that you can do that 2207 01:39:52,950 --> 01:39:50,770 with the 50 millimeter lens certainly 2208 01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:52,960 and you can do it with like if you saw 2209 01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:55,090 the movie the favorite he had a 2210 01:39:58,140 --> 01:39:56,530 wide-angle lens I think he used pretty 2211 01:40:00,080 --> 01:39:58,150 much the whole time I don't know there's 2212 01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:00,090 any long lens shots in that whole movie 2213 01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:02,530 but a good go-to lens is going to be a 2214 01:40:10,530 --> 01:40:07,210 zoom lens and you want one ideally but 2215 01:40:12,420 --> 01:40:10,540 not necessary that has the same f-stop 2216 01:40:15,270 --> 01:40:12,430 which means that it has the same 2217 01:40:17,970 --> 01:40:15,280 exposure from being zoomed in to zoom 2218 01:40:21,690 --> 01:40:17,980 out because if you get one that isn't 2219 01:40:24,900 --> 01:40:21,700 when you zoom in because you're using 2220 01:40:27,630 --> 01:40:24,910 more of the glass it will be darker and 2221 01:40:29,100 --> 01:40:27,640 so then all of a sudden your image gets 2222 01:40:31,320 --> 01:40:29,110 darker if you're doing it within that 2223 01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:31,330 shot so it's just much easier to have a 2224 01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:33,610 camera that has a really fast lenses 2225 01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:35,050 that's what they call it where you can 2226 01:40:41,490 --> 01:40:38,250 zoom in and out it's the same exposure 2227 01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:41,500 the the the size that I like that I 2228 01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:44,290 think it's just like a workhorse lenses 2229 01:40:53,820 --> 01:40:50,050 the anywhere from like the 35 to 50 they 2230 01:40:57,240 --> 01:40:53,830 have are something around there where 2231 01:41:01,080 --> 01:40:57,250 you want to be up above 20 and you don't 2232 01:41:04,170 --> 01:41:01,090 need to go you know further than then 2233 01:41:04,799 --> 01:41:04,180 you know really 75 the lens that came 2234 01:41:09,990 --> 01:41:04,809 with my 2235 01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:10,000 cannon was the 24 to 105 which is an 2236 01:41:14,819 --> 01:41:12,610 awesome lens I'm sure there's a faster 2237 01:41:17,129 --> 01:41:14,829 version of that my f-stop changes 2238 01:41:18,930 --> 01:41:17,139 dramatically so I think yeah that 2239 01:41:22,879 --> 01:41:18,940 happens with the the you know the bigger 2240 01:41:26,330 --> 01:41:22,889 zooms yeah usually like I maybe like a 2241 01:41:28,799 --> 01:41:26,340 2.8 to 5.5 something along those lines 2242 01:41:32,370 --> 01:41:28,809 yeah I went out and I bought a bunch of 2243 01:41:34,580 --> 01:41:32,380 primes and I bought these Rokinon primes 2244 01:41:36,510 --> 01:41:34,590 and they're tattered as being you know 2245 01:41:39,709 --> 01:41:36,520 cinema lenses and everything 2246 01:41:45,419 --> 01:41:39,719 well I compared them with my you know 2247 01:41:48,870 --> 01:41:45,429 basic canon 24 to 105 lens and mine beat 2248 01:41:52,049 --> 01:41:48,880 it it did have any lens aberration or 2249 01:41:55,649 --> 01:41:52,059 anything it was it was great I'm a big 2250 01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:55,659 fan of that lens 24 to 105 okay so if 2251 01:41:59,220 --> 01:41:57,010 you're starting out that's the killer 2252 01:42:01,290 --> 01:41:59,230 lens to to be doing it later on when you 2253 01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:01,300 want to put more money into it then it's 2254 01:42:06,060 --> 01:42:03,130 worth investing in getting the lens 2255 01:42:07,410 --> 01:42:06,070 that's so so prime lenses for the folks 2256 01:42:09,120 --> 01:42:07,420 at home who don't know that's that's a 2257 01:42:11,189 --> 01:42:09,130 lens that you can't zoom either in or 2258 01:42:13,950 --> 01:42:11,199 out if it's a 50 millimeter lens it's 50 2259 01:42:16,290 --> 01:42:13,960 if it's 35 yep fix fix soon basically 2260 01:42:18,359 --> 01:42:16,300 yes lighter usually to because it's just 2261 01:42:20,490 --> 01:42:18,369 one lens size it doesn't have to work at 2262 01:42:22,529 --> 01:42:20,500 both sides of the barrel and you don't 2263 01:42:24,660 --> 01:42:22,539 you don't think it's that big a deal 2264 01:42:26,390 --> 01:42:24,670 that it's a hundred percent necessary to 2265 01:42:31,740 --> 01:42:26,400 get a prime lens right out of the box 2266 01:42:35,510 --> 01:42:31,750 no okay again it's I'm more concerned 2267 01:42:39,029 --> 01:42:35,520 that that you tell a good story then you 2268 01:42:40,799 --> 01:42:39,039 know than anything else one theme is I 2269 01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:40,809 guess I'm endorsing here even though 2270 01:42:47,580 --> 01:42:42,130 they're not giving me a kick back and 2271 01:42:48,959 --> 01:42:47,590 they should be NH their prices are 2272 01:42:52,770 --> 01:42:48,969 always very competitive and you don't 2273 01:42:55,620 --> 01:42:52,780 have to pay taxes if you do not live in 2274 01:42:57,479 --> 01:42:55,630 New York did so can you can you say that 2275 01:43:00,600 --> 01:42:57,489 acronym again that way people can hear 2276 01:43:01,729 --> 01:43:00,610 it clearly B as in boy and like the the 2277 01:43:07,109 --> 01:43:01,739 symbol and 2278 01:43:09,089 --> 01:43:07,119 oh yeah okay enh photo photos in New 2279 01:43:10,049 --> 01:43:09,099 York right yeah I'm familiar with them 2280 01:43:12,149 --> 01:43:10,059 yeah 2281 01:43:14,459 --> 01:43:12,159 Adam Emma's another one I don't know 2282 01:43:17,310 --> 01:43:14,469 about the sales tax with them but 2283 01:43:19,500 --> 01:43:17,320 there's another big company and Sammy's 2284 01:43:21,830 --> 01:43:19,510 West their jammies yeah we have a Sammy 2285 01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:21,840 as I bought my camera they're actually 2286 01:43:27,570 --> 01:43:25,690 so that's another one that they've got 2287 01:43:29,970 --> 01:43:27,580 they've got the selection for sure 2288 01:43:32,060 --> 01:43:29,980 are you willing to divulge to us Dean 2289 01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:32,070 the kinds of equipment you have in 2290 01:43:41,580 --> 01:43:35,970 entirety you know or tell us a little 2291 01:43:42,780 --> 01:43:41,590 secret very personal well I guess this 2292 01:43:45,990 --> 01:43:42,790 is the second interview with your psyche 2293 01:43:51,150 --> 01:43:46,000 I'm sure well that's pretty much it I'd 2294 01:43:54,060 --> 01:43:51,160 have my my um my 5d mark 3 okay so the 2295 01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:54,070 person who's gonna burglar me right now 2296 01:44:00,420 --> 01:43:55,930 is Ryan's okay I got a pickup five 2297 01:44:07,470 --> 01:44:00,430 degrees you have I have the roads road 2298 01:44:10,110 --> 01:44:07,480 mic pro mic but I put on my on my camera 2299 01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:10,120 so I have a microphone there and then 2300 01:44:17,580 --> 01:44:15,610 I've got a I have a couple LED lights 2301 01:44:22,100 --> 01:44:17,590 that I know the name of them but they're 2302 01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:22,110 like little light panels um one is like 2303 01:44:27,330 --> 01:44:25,210 six inches by like four inches four by 2304 01:44:28,980 --> 01:44:27,340 six and then the other one is larger I 2305 01:44:31,890 --> 01:44:28,990 don't know what that was ten ten by 2306 01:44:33,570 --> 01:44:31,900 something and then reflector is always 2307 01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:33,580 good to have those reflectors that can 2308 01:44:39,270 --> 01:44:35,530 fold up so you can take them anywhere 2309 01:44:43,020 --> 01:44:39,280 and open them up so you can bounce them 2310 01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:43,030 off if you want to you know do what it's 2311 01:44:48,690 --> 01:44:45,970 called soft light so I have that I have 2312 01:44:54,980 --> 01:44:48,700 very important super important I have a 2313 01:44:58,680 --> 01:44:54,990 really good tripod that I am that I have 2314 01:45:02,580 --> 01:44:58,690 and because you want to be able to have 2315 01:45:04,440 --> 01:45:02,590 one that has a nice lens fluid lens now 2316 01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:04,450 a tripod you can get used and get a good 2317 01:45:09,930 --> 01:45:06,850 deal and then you just test it out but 2318 01:45:12,420 --> 01:45:09,940 that's a that's a good example of a used 2319 01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:12,430 material you can get yeah there's a 2320 01:45:15,990 --> 01:45:14,290 couple three grand on gear you don't 2321 01:45:18,420 --> 01:45:16,000 want to be playing cheap on the tripod 2322 01:45:21,750 --> 01:45:18,430 god no yeah you want to have one that 2323 01:45:24,360 --> 01:45:21,760 has varied torque on it so you can have 2324 01:45:25,890 --> 01:45:24,370 different drags on it so that's not you 2325 01:45:27,650 --> 01:45:25,900 know super loose you're flying all over 2326 01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:27,660 the place you want to be nice and smooth 2327 01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:34,350 see I have a lighter 2328 01:45:39,690 --> 01:45:37,930 yeah look I really love where what a 2329 01:45:42,240 --> 01:45:39,700 slider is it's like a little mini dolly 2330 01:45:45,510 --> 01:45:42,250 track that's maybe four feet to 5 feet 2331 01:45:47,340 --> 01:45:45,520 in length and you mount your camera on 2332 01:45:50,130 --> 01:45:47,350 it and then you can slide the whole 2333 01:45:52,530 --> 01:45:50,140 apparatus back and forth and so you can 2334 01:45:54,810 --> 01:45:52,540 simulate a dolly those are tracking shot 2335 01:45:57,000 --> 01:45:54,820 and if you put an angle you can make it 2336 01:45:58,620 --> 01:45:57,010 like a little mini crane which I also 2337 01:46:00,860 --> 01:45:58,630 have a little mini crane that fits in 2338 01:46:03,080 --> 01:46:00,870 this bag it's like a six or eight foot 2339 01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:03,090 crane I don't know who makes that one 2340 01:46:10,020 --> 01:46:07,570 what and okay and any other different 2341 01:46:13,620 --> 01:46:10,030 kinds of microphones can you mention any 2342 01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:13,630 sanitizer sennheiser is always good 2343 01:46:22,440 --> 01:46:16,930 anything they sell uh you know I I did 2344 01:46:25,590 --> 01:46:22,450 this quasi documentary project um photo 2345 01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:25,600 mentary I guess so you can really get 2346 01:46:31,230 --> 01:46:27,330 into the weeds here because a 2347 01:46:35,580 --> 01:46:31,240 mockumentary is this is spinal tap right 2348 01:46:39,540 --> 01:46:35,590 so it's just a fake you know documentary 2349 01:46:40,680 --> 01:46:39,550 I did a film entery and and I knew that 2350 01:46:41,940 --> 01:46:40,690 I was gonna be moving around a lot it 2351 01:46:43,620 --> 01:46:41,950 was just gonna be me and my partner on 2352 01:46:43,890 --> 01:46:43,630 the project and the actor and that was 2353 01:46:46,470 --> 01:46:43,900 it 2354 01:46:51,120 --> 01:46:46,480 and so what I did is I got these tascam 2355 01:46:52,650 --> 01:46:51,130 I think it was 101 and they're these 2356 01:46:56,280 --> 01:46:52,660 little they look like those little 2357 01:46:58,770 --> 01:46:56,290 wireless microphones lavalieres packs 2358 01:47:00,300 --> 01:46:58,780 that you have and instead of it it being 2359 01:47:03,330 --> 01:47:00,310 Wireless and sending a signal to your 2360 01:47:06,360 --> 01:47:03,340 camera and recording it it records it on 2361 01:47:09,780 --> 01:47:06,370 to a memory card a very small memory 2362 01:47:12,180 --> 01:47:09,790 card that has 32 gigabytes that card 2363 01:47:14,370 --> 01:47:12,190 will last days and when I mean days in 2364 01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:14,380 the morning we would turn them on so I 2365 01:47:19,260 --> 01:47:18,010 would you know put her on my actor turn 2366 01:47:21,210 --> 01:47:19,270 it on in the morning and then turn off 2367 01:47:23,400 --> 01:47:21,220 at night and I can go two or three days 2368 01:47:28,380 --> 01:47:23,410 they last that long so great and that 2369 01:47:30,690 --> 01:47:28,390 microphone never gets distorted because 2370 01:47:33,390 --> 01:47:30,700 it isn't wireless the only thing is if 2371 01:47:34,740 --> 01:47:33,400 an actor bumps their hand on it then 2372 01:47:36,900 --> 01:47:34,750 you've you know you're going to have to 2373 01:47:38,910 --> 01:47:36,910 later on dub over that but if you do a 2374 01:47:40,380 --> 01:47:38,920 few takes and stuff hopefully they won't 2375 01:47:41,790 --> 01:47:40,390 bang it at the same time then you can 2376 01:47:44,460 --> 01:47:41,800 ask them to do one take where they don't 2377 01:47:46,380 --> 01:47:44,470 do that but you know it's 2378 01:47:48,810 --> 01:47:46,390 wireless you know there's that means not 2379 01:47:51,990 --> 01:47:48,820 Wireless scuse me the the microphone is 2380 01:47:54,510 --> 01:47:52,000 attached to the little small pack and so 2381 01:47:56,640 --> 01:47:54,520 the wire goes up you know it's and it's 2382 01:47:58,050 --> 01:47:56,650 tucked under the shirt goes up and then 2383 01:48:00,000 --> 01:47:58,060 there's like a little microphone at the 2384 01:48:02,160 --> 01:48:00,010 end and then that gets fastened and so 2385 01:48:05,340 --> 01:48:02,170 that worked extremely well that was 2386 01:48:06,990 --> 01:48:05,350 really good saved me and you know again 2387 01:48:08,610 --> 01:48:07,000 to get into the technical weeds here I 2388 01:48:10,050 --> 01:48:08,620 would have because it comes with two 2389 01:48:12,990 --> 01:48:10,060 channels that you're recording the audio 2390 01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:13,000 I would have one set to be high in one 2391 01:48:15,990 --> 01:48:14,650 low so if someone was yelling I could go 2392 01:48:18,030 --> 01:48:16,000 to the low channel so it doesn't blow 2393 01:48:19,830 --> 01:48:18,040 out if someone's talking to quiet I 2394 01:48:21,420 --> 01:48:19,840 could go to the higher channel now is 2395 01:48:24,450 --> 01:48:21,430 that something is that something you 2396 01:48:25,830 --> 01:48:24,460 need to record audio separately with or 2397 01:48:28,910 --> 01:48:25,840 is this something you get all on the 2398 01:48:32,430 --> 01:48:28,920 same SD card that's inside the camera I 2399 01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:32,440 record that along with recording my 2400 01:48:39,630 --> 01:48:36,250 camera with my rode mic so what happens 2401 01:48:42,540 --> 01:48:39,640 is when I'm gonna now edit this as I 2402 01:48:44,460 --> 01:48:42,550 bring in all the clips and I can see the 2403 01:48:47,340 --> 01:48:44,470 waveform and in fact there's a an app 2404 01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:47,350 called PluralEyes and that finds it for 2405 01:48:52,500 --> 01:48:50,050 you and it syncs it up and so I take 2406 01:48:54,570 --> 01:48:52,510 both of those separate elements and then 2407 01:48:57,450 --> 01:48:54,580 I sync it up you know the wireless 2408 01:48:59,760 --> 01:48:57,460 version is more convenient because in in 2409 01:49:01,860 --> 01:48:59,770 only one way which is that it records 2410 01:49:04,200 --> 01:49:01,870 you can send it to the camera with a 2411 01:49:08,190 --> 01:49:04,210 receiver and then it records on to the 2412 01:49:10,710 --> 01:49:08,200 actual camera but again if it goes in 2413 01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:10,720 and out and the battery dies on you or 2414 01:49:15,030 --> 01:49:13,570 whatever mostly about frequency when it 2415 01:49:16,980 --> 01:49:15,040 goes in and out because cars will go by 2416 01:49:21,990 --> 01:49:16,990 someones radio or phone could get her 2417 01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:22,000 all jacked up you're screwed and so this 2418 01:49:33,480 --> 01:49:27,610 was just more of a of a trouble proof 2419 01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:33,490 you know audio proof from remedy for gun 2420 01:49:36,570 --> 01:49:34,690 and running you know moving really fast 2421 01:49:38,280 --> 01:49:36,580 just turn on turn the mic and be gone 2422 01:49:40,710 --> 01:49:38,290 the whole day and that was that was it 2423 01:49:46,050 --> 01:49:40,720 so I like that and those things cost by 2424 01:49:48,660 --> 01:49:46,060 the way there are 200 bucks each that 2425 01:49:51,240 --> 01:49:48,670 microphone and so comes with the pack 2426 01:49:55,200 --> 01:49:51,250 and the microphone and it comes with a 2427 01:49:57,620 --> 01:49:55,210 headset and maybe a 16 gigabyte card not 2428 01:50:00,770 --> 01:49:57,630 too bad okay and 2429 01:50:01,669 --> 01:50:00,780 the road obviously if it's not a good 2430 01:50:03,770 --> 01:50:01,679 idea 2431 01:50:06,169 --> 01:50:03,780 III don't need to talk to a professional 2432 01:50:07,550 --> 01:50:06,179 filmmaker like Dean Alioto to know that 2433 01:50:10,100 --> 01:50:07,560 it's not a good idea 2434 01:50:11,570 --> 01:50:10,110 to do the audio off the internal mic in 2435 01:50:14,780 --> 01:50:11,580 any camera you really should get an 2436 01:50:16,910 --> 01:50:14,790 external mic yeah so you do need you do 2437 01:50:18,709 --> 01:50:16,920 need to look for a camera that is at the 2438 01:50:22,820 --> 01:50:18,719 level that at least has an external mic 2439 01:50:25,580 --> 01:50:22,830 input the problem with the camera camera 2440 01:50:28,580 --> 01:50:25,590 mic that's mounted to the camera is that 2441 01:50:30,169 --> 01:50:28,590 it picks up the camera noise the the 2442 01:50:32,990 --> 01:50:30,179 noise of the machinery of the camera 2443 01:50:34,669 --> 01:50:33,000 recording that's not great that was a 2444 01:50:36,979 --> 01:50:34,679 real bummer but because it was a film 2445 01:50:38,750 --> 01:50:36,989 entery we were able to actually have it 2446 01:50:40,550 --> 01:50:38,760 under the guise that well you know this 2447 01:50:44,120 --> 01:50:40,560 is a documentary crew they're having to 2448 01:50:46,580 --> 01:50:44,130 rough it you know running gun but you 2449 01:50:50,410 --> 01:50:46,590 could get a cage for your camera which 2450 01:50:52,640 --> 01:50:50,420 is just an outside metal structure that 2451 01:50:54,500 --> 01:50:52,650 it doesn't cover the whole thing just 2452 01:50:57,110 --> 01:50:54,510 like a section of it and it has these 2453 01:51:00,770 --> 01:50:57,120 little arms and stuff that you can get 2454 01:51:02,750 --> 01:51:00,780 where it branches out these little metal 2455 01:51:06,110 --> 01:51:02,760 arms that you can screw a mic in so it's 2456 01:51:07,550 --> 01:51:06,120 kind of not directly touching the camera 2457 01:51:10,430 --> 01:51:07,560 so you don't get that so it's a little 2458 01:51:12,950 --> 01:51:10,440 further away that's that's a nice remedy 2459 01:51:14,660 --> 01:51:12,960 for that as well but it's always you 2460 01:51:15,500 --> 01:51:14,670 always want to record from something 2461 01:51:18,220 --> 01:51:15,510 like that because then you've got a 2462 01:51:20,060 --> 01:51:18,230 guide track that you can sync to 2463 01:51:21,439 --> 01:51:20,070 otherwise you got to look at actors 2464 01:51:26,640 --> 01:51:21,449 mouths and yeah it was slate and 2465 01:51:32,190 --> 01:51:30,150 our team before we let you go I'm gonna 2466 01:51:34,650 --> 01:51:32,200 ask if you're still with us our chat yet 2467 01:51:36,930 --> 01:51:34,660 no I'm still here I was just listening 2468 01:51:42,180 --> 01:51:36,940 for once instead of talking Oh what I 2469 01:51:45,150 --> 01:51:42,190 was going to ask you you say you're the 2470 01:51:47,250 --> 01:51:45,160 most honest podcaster I've ever spoken 2471 01:51:51,930 --> 01:51:47,260 like yeah I know I talk too much 2472 01:51:56,280 --> 01:51:51,940 no no no it's yeah I like to hear myself 2473 01:51:58,350 --> 01:51:56,290 talk Dean you're going to be finishing 2474 01:52:00,150 --> 01:51:58,360 and moving up here in about a month or 2475 01:52:06,380 --> 01:52:00,160 so can you let us know just a little bit 2476 01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:06,390 more about that yes so I did my first 2477 01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:10,210 out not horror film well I guess you 2478 01:52:13,200 --> 01:52:12,010 could say that my movies the only 2479 01:52:15,240 --> 01:52:13,210 abduction films are a little bit of 2480 01:52:18,210 --> 01:52:15,250 sci-fi horror that would say some more 2481 01:52:22,050 --> 01:52:18,220 sci-fi thriller dramas but this is a 2482 01:52:27,660 --> 01:52:22,060 supernatural horror film and of course 2483 01:52:31,130 --> 01:52:27,670 there's levity in it and the basic story 2484 01:52:34,460 --> 01:52:31,140 of the of the film is it's about this 2485 01:52:36,840 --> 01:52:34,470 these low rent it's very meta 2486 01:52:40,650 --> 01:52:36,850 meaning it's it's it's these this 2487 01:52:42,450 --> 01:52:40,660 low-rent ghosts tracking krill there at 2488 01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:42,460 the end of their first season they 2489 01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:44,890 refuse well the guy who hosts it and 2490 01:52:52,890 --> 01:52:47,770 it's his team he refuses to fake scares 2491 01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:52,900 so it's kind of a metaphor for fake news 2492 01:52:58,470 --> 01:52:54,570 that's out there 2493 01:53:00,270 --> 01:52:58,480 so but that's not that you know in your 2494 01:53:01,050 --> 01:53:00,280 face it's just it's just kind of a 2495 01:53:03,570 --> 01:53:01,060 component of it 2496 01:53:06,030 --> 01:53:03,580 but he decides that they decide 2497 01:53:10,410 --> 01:53:06,040 collectively all right let's you know 2498 01:53:12,420 --> 01:53:10,420 we're gonna not be welcomed back by the 2499 01:53:14,430 --> 01:53:12,430 network to do a second season if we 2500 01:53:16,680 --> 01:53:14,440 don't come up with something so they 2501 01:53:18,660 --> 01:53:16,690 start engineering augmenting a little 2502 01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:18,670 bit the scares and when they do that 2503 01:53:26,640 --> 01:53:22,090 they open Pandora's box and we've got 2504 01:53:28,950 --> 01:53:26,650 fantastic actors in it ryan merriman who 2505 01:53:32,330 --> 01:53:28,960 was in a final destination movies a 2506 01:53:35,220 --> 01:53:32,340 whole bunch of other ones we've got 2507 01:53:37,350 --> 01:53:35,230 Jamie oh my god 2508 01:53:39,120 --> 01:53:37,360 I'm so brain dead that was Jamie's last 2509 01:53:39,989 --> 01:53:39,130 night oh my god she's gonna kill me 2510 01:53:42,029 --> 01:53:39,999 you're 2511 01:53:45,389 --> 01:53:42,039 at 3:00 a.m. in the morning yeah it's 2512 01:53:46,859 --> 01:53:45,399 gonna come back to me and and she was in 2513 01:53:52,139 --> 01:53:46,869 from dusk till dawn and then we've got 2514 01:53:58,349 --> 01:53:52,149 other great actor who was in he's in the 2515 01:54:02,159 --> 01:53:58,359 new sure detectives Mike Whitford is his 2516 01:54:05,549 --> 01:54:02,169 name yeah and then also we have Heather 2517 01:54:09,719 --> 01:54:05,559 Langenkamp for those of you who are fans 2518 01:54:12,239 --> 01:54:09,729 of Nightmare on Elm Street she's Nancy I 2519 01:54:14,669 --> 01:54:12,249 was in you know all of the Nightmare on 2520 01:54:17,429 --> 01:54:14,679 Elm Street movies I believe and several 2521 01:54:22,019 --> 01:54:17,439 other lovely horror films she's in it as 2522 01:54:25,199 --> 01:54:22,029 well and the the film is really really 2523 01:54:28,049 --> 01:54:25,209 fun we're now I'm doing color correction 2524 01:54:29,669 --> 01:54:28,059 and so it'll be done the end of next 2525 01:54:33,749 --> 01:54:29,679 month and we'll be going out there with 2526 01:54:39,569 --> 01:54:33,759 it but yeah it plays fun and with the 2527 01:54:41,429 --> 01:54:39,579 genre and it's uh I think you guys are 2528 01:54:44,549 --> 01:54:41,439 really going to dig it yeah the name of 2529 01:54:49,199 --> 01:54:44,559 the movie is portal and it's a yes 2530 01:54:51,959 --> 01:54:49,209 supernatural horror dark comedy and you 2531 01:54:54,929 --> 01:54:51,969 anticipate that coming out probably 2532 01:54:58,049 --> 01:54:54,939 within a month or their bounce right 2533 01:55:00,539 --> 01:54:58,059 what we it means we finish at the end of 2534 01:55:03,089 --> 01:55:00,549 February and then it goes out to the 2535 01:55:04,829 --> 01:55:03,099 distributors we're waiting to hear back 2536 01:55:07,319 --> 01:55:04,839 for instance from some film festivals 2537 01:55:09,409 --> 01:55:07,329 that we're hoping to get into and then 2538 01:55:13,709 --> 01:55:09,419 we'll do the whole Film Festival horror 2539 01:55:15,899 --> 01:55:13,719 festival circuit for the for a year so 2540 01:55:18,479 --> 01:55:15,909 we'll be coming around to a neighborhood 2541 01:55:20,729 --> 01:55:18,489 near you I'm sure great ideally you 2542 01:55:22,139 --> 01:55:20,739 would see it on a big screen and then 2543 01:55:24,629 --> 01:55:22,149 you know if not they'll be video 2544 01:55:26,699 --> 01:55:24,639 on-demand stuff like that and and DVDs 2545 01:55:29,429 --> 01:55:26,709 blu-rays etc well I certainly hope 2546 01:55:31,409 --> 01:55:29,439 you'll allow us down the road you know 2547 01:55:34,559 --> 01:55:31,419 after the dust settles after portal 2548 01:55:36,599 --> 01:55:34,569 comes out to have us interview you about 2549 01:55:39,029 --> 01:55:36,609 that movie we would love to hear back 2550 01:55:43,889 --> 01:55:39,039 from you on that I will be so rich and 2551 01:55:47,429 --> 01:55:43,899 famous I doubt it I would like to let 2552 01:55:50,339 --> 01:55:47,439 everybody know that UFO abduction the 2553 01:55:52,020 --> 01:55:50,349 movie can be purchased at UFO abduction 2554 01:55:54,630 --> 01:55:52,030 movie calm 2555 01:55:57,300 --> 01:55:54,640 and I did have one last question for you 2556 01:56:00,990 --> 01:55:57,310 Dean Frank might have one too but the 2557 01:56:02,520 --> 01:56:01,000 question I have for you is is there 2558 01:56:04,950 --> 01:56:02,530 anything else you would like to cover 2559 01:56:07,890 --> 01:56:04,960 regarding the topic of ufology whether 2560 01:56:10,170 --> 01:56:07,900 it be cinematic related or not but is 2561 01:56:12,480 --> 01:56:10,180 there anything you'd like to cover left 2562 01:56:14,160 --> 01:56:12,490 about the topic of your fala gee if you 2563 01:56:15,120 --> 01:56:14,170 could make a statement about it what 2564 01:56:19,020 --> 01:56:15,130 would you say 2565 01:56:22,830 --> 01:56:19,030 sure one more saying if I may on UFO 2566 01:56:26,370 --> 01:56:22,840 abduction it's for the it's now the 30th 2567 01:56:28,650 --> 01:56:26,380 anniversary of the film and there's a 2568 01:56:32,090 --> 01:56:28,660 wonderful festival that is in Austin 2569 01:56:34,380 --> 01:56:32,100 Texas called Fantastic Fest and the 2570 01:56:36,390 --> 01:56:34,390 programming director that festival is 2571 01:56:41,460 --> 01:56:36,400 happens to be a fan of the film and he 2572 01:56:44,190 --> 01:56:41,470 is going to really sit bring it out for 2573 01:56:45,930 --> 01:56:44,200 the festival and he's also going to 2574 01:56:50,250 --> 01:56:45,940 release it theatrically it'll be in a 2575 01:56:53,130 --> 01:56:50,260 dozen theaters in 2020 so right now you 2576 01:56:55,830 --> 01:56:53,140 can you know it's it's available on DVD 2577 01:56:57,450 --> 01:56:55,840 but you'll be able to see it in digital 2578 01:57:00,750 --> 01:56:57,460 download as well but you'll be able to 2579 01:57:03,810 --> 01:57:00,760 see it on the big screen as well 2580 01:57:07,130 --> 01:57:03,820 all right enough plugging okay what 2581 01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:07,140 hasn't been said about the UFO 2582 01:57:17,340 --> 01:57:14,770 phenomenon that our UFO UFO ology first 2583 01:57:19,650 --> 01:57:17,350 of all why can't we get a degree well 2584 01:57:21,330 --> 01:57:19,660 you know full apology well I mean we can 2585 01:57:24,660 --> 01:57:21,340 get one in quantum physics which is all 2586 01:57:26,160 --> 01:57:24,670 abstract based on theory like you and we 2587 01:57:29,070 --> 01:57:26,170 should get that what would that school 2588 01:57:32,700 --> 01:57:29,080 look like that campus I want to go there 2589 01:57:34,050 --> 01:57:32,710 I would say that the people who are 2590 01:57:37,950 --> 01:57:34,060 getting into it especially the young 2591 01:57:40,320 --> 01:57:37,960 guys like Ryan Sprague is a buddy and 2592 01:57:43,580 --> 01:57:40,330 he's got an awesome podcast yeah we know 2593 01:57:47,940 --> 01:57:43,590 him yeah he does yep he's he's super 2594 01:57:50,700 --> 01:57:47,950 cool nice guy high on the integrity 2595 01:57:53,880 --> 01:57:50,710 meter I mean he's someone who you know 2596 01:57:55,170 --> 01:57:53,890 we will talk about certain stories that 2597 01:58:00,390 --> 01:57:55,180 are being tracked that shouldn't be 2598 01:58:02,790 --> 01:58:00,400 tracked he's got a lot of you know he's 2599 01:58:04,590 --> 01:58:02,800 we both have a litmus test that we 2600 01:58:06,390 --> 01:58:04,600 applied to anything so there's people 2601 01:58:09,260 --> 01:58:06,400 like that out there 2602 01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:09,270 that you know we kind of collectively 2603 01:58:13,050 --> 01:58:12,010 tried to make advancements with regards 2604 01:58:17,970 --> 01:58:13,060 to getting the word out there and 2605 01:58:22,470 --> 01:58:17,980 tracking really good stories you know I 2606 01:58:26,390 --> 01:58:22,480 think I would like to see more reporting 2607 01:58:36,800 --> 01:58:26,400 and less and honest you know reporting 2608 01:58:40,770 --> 01:58:36,810 and less grand icing or less you know 2609 01:58:44,459 --> 01:58:40,780 pursuing things in a way to co-opt them 2610 01:58:47,550 --> 01:58:44,469 in order to you know basically incense 2611 01:58:49,530 --> 01:58:47,560 or throw you know gassing on the fire I 2612 01:58:51,919 --> 01:58:49,540 would really love this to be looked at 2613 01:58:55,260 --> 01:58:51,929 pond looked upon like quantum physics 2614 01:58:57,300 --> 01:58:55,270 where we're able to to look at it as 2615 01:58:59,129 --> 01:58:57,310 this this genuine phenomenon and what 2616 01:59:02,220 --> 01:58:59,139 does this mean and what does it mean as 2617 01:59:05,970 --> 01:59:02,230 you know psychological and sociology 2618 01:59:06,959 --> 01:59:05,980 sociology wise anthropological wise I 2619 01:59:12,060 --> 01:59:06,969 mean across the board 2620 01:59:13,890 --> 01:59:12,070 and so I kind of you know wish that a 2621 01:59:16,290 --> 01:59:13,900 lot of the people that are that are out 2622 01:59:19,550 --> 01:59:16,300 there and we could talk for days about 2623 01:59:23,100 --> 01:59:19,560 this I'm but I all I will say is that 2624 01:59:26,340 --> 01:59:23,110 you know it's tough to do the UFO 2625 01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:26,350 circuit because you do what you have to 2626 01:59:32,850 --> 01:59:29,050 say and and what you're coming at it 2627 01:59:35,160 --> 01:59:32,860 your unique take on it and then if you 2628 01:59:37,379 --> 01:59:35,170 want this to be your career to be doing 2629 01:59:40,100 --> 01:59:37,389 this you've got to come back around with 2630 01:59:44,010 --> 01:59:40,110 new material and so it's kind of like 2631 01:59:48,209 --> 01:59:44,020 24-hour news there's only so much news 2632 01:59:50,060 --> 01:59:48,219 that's out there and so having to you 2633 01:59:52,859 --> 01:59:50,070 know bounce that and keep that going 2634 01:59:55,470 --> 01:59:52,869 let's continue pushing ourselves in a 2635 01:59:56,070 --> 01:59:55,480 way that is still discerning what's real 2636 02:00:00,450 --> 01:59:56,080 and what isn't 2637 02:00:02,580 --> 02:00:00,460 where I get a little saddened is when 2638 02:00:04,890 --> 02:00:02,590 people start engineering certain things 2639 02:00:08,160 --> 02:00:04,900 to keep if you will in the game I'm 2640 02:00:09,870 --> 02:00:08,170 gonna co-op certain stories and run with 2641 02:00:13,979 --> 02:00:09,880 those even when things have been 2642 02:00:15,570 --> 02:00:13,989 disproven then for me it's like and I 2643 02:00:17,399 --> 02:00:15,580 get that everyone needs to make money 2644 02:00:18,830 --> 02:00:17,409 and you know there's definitely 2645 02:00:23,089 --> 02:00:18,840 entertainment in this biz 2646 02:00:26,839 --> 02:00:23,099 us right and so I just I hope that that 2647 02:00:28,490 --> 02:00:26,849 people kind of you know at the end the 2648 02:00:31,490 --> 02:00:28,500 day come at it from a way that is not 2649 02:00:33,919 --> 02:00:31,500 going to be a disservice to the 2650 02:00:35,660 --> 02:00:33,929 phenomenon and and only legitimizes it 2651 02:00:38,959 --> 02:00:35,670 you know any documentary that I do is 2652 02:00:41,570 --> 02:00:38,969 meant to legitimize it not not to you 2653 02:00:43,040 --> 02:00:41,580 know high bid or whatever you know I 2654 02:00:46,729 --> 02:00:43,050 want to start seeing documentaries that 2655 02:00:49,129 --> 02:00:46,739 are done that look like you know Edie 2656 02:00:51,589 --> 02:00:49,139 burns I thought it burns ken burns 2657 02:00:53,689 --> 02:00:51,599 documentaries where it's you know 2658 02:00:57,950 --> 02:00:53,699 handled extremely well and they have a 2659 02:00:59,750 --> 02:00:57,960 decent budget and it's you know done 2660 02:01:01,669 --> 02:00:59,760 with people across the board and people 2661 02:01:04,490 --> 02:01:01,679 don't necessarily believe in it who can 2662 02:01:07,280 --> 02:01:04,500 offer some you know criticism and that 2663 02:01:10,280 --> 02:01:07,290 we can test the fabric you know of this 2664 02:01:12,379 --> 02:01:10,290 so that's my hope 2665 02:01:14,930 --> 02:01:12,389 I just wanted to reference a little bit 2666 02:01:17,359 --> 02:01:14,940 about Fantastic Fest so people know more 2667 02:01:19,700 --> 02:01:17,369 about it they have a small blurb about 2668 02:01:22,520 --> 02:01:19,710 it on their site it says Fantastic Fest 2669 02:01:24,620 --> 02:01:22,530 is the largest genre film festival in 2670 02:01:27,680 --> 02:01:24,630 the US specializing in horror fantasy 2671 02:01:29,000 --> 02:01:27,690 sci-fi action and just plain fantastic 2672 02:01:31,609 --> 02:01:29,010 movies from all around the world 2673 02:01:34,339 --> 02:01:31,619 the festival is dedicated to championing 2674 02:01:36,950 --> 02:01:34,349 and challenging thought-provoking cinema 2675 02:01:38,709 --> 02:01:36,960 and then they go on to say that in the 2676 02:01:40,970 --> 02:01:38,719 past they have had world premieres 2677 02:01:45,379 --> 02:01:40,980 concerning certain movies like bone 2678 02:01:47,510 --> 02:01:45,389 Thoma tomahawk John wick machete kills 2679 02:01:51,680 --> 02:01:47,520 Red Dawn there will be blood Apocalypto 2680 02:01:54,320 --> 02:01:51,690 Zombieland red split overlord apostle 2681 02:01:59,169 --> 02:01:54,330 and that comes for us and also portal 2682 02:02:04,390 --> 02:01:59,179 will be featured their movie there gene 2683 02:02:14,330 --> 02:02:06,979 UFO abductions gonna be there you're 2684 02:02:16,790 --> 02:02:14,340 right we're at possibly submitting that 2685 02:02:19,580 --> 02:02:16,800 to portal that would be a great great 2686 02:02:22,280 --> 02:02:19,590 venue yeah it's a terrific festival in 2687 02:02:25,879 --> 02:02:22,290 fact they did yeah they did bad times at 2688 02:02:28,100 --> 02:02:25,889 Hotel del Rey and they also did the new 2689 02:02:30,770 --> 02:02:28,110 Halloween felt they debuted that at the 2690 02:02:32,779 --> 02:02:30,780 festival and and yeah they're all over 2691 02:02:34,490 --> 02:02:32,789 the board I mean they have a great 2692 02:02:37,879 --> 02:02:34,500 their main agendas let's show films that 2693 02:02:41,750 --> 02:02:37,889 that are fun genre based but also films 2694 02:02:43,939 --> 02:02:41,760 that are hard to find and that's really 2695 02:02:48,410 --> 02:02:43,949 cool it would be great to see portal 2696 02:02:50,870 --> 02:02:48,420 being featured there yeah Frank did you 2697 02:02:53,600 --> 02:02:50,880 have any questions for Dean well just 2698 02:02:55,160 --> 02:02:53,610 one last question for you before I get 2699 02:02:56,120 --> 02:02:55,170 to the most important question of the 2700 02:02:59,720 --> 02:02:56,130 day what's for dinner 2701 02:03:01,790 --> 02:02:59,730 but Dean one last question 2702 02:03:05,750 --> 02:03:01,800 you had mentioned being interested in 2703 02:03:11,060 --> 02:03:05,760 the a tip news that came out at the end 2704 02:03:13,430 --> 02:03:11,070 of 2017 do you did that bit of news perk 2705 02:03:17,259 --> 02:03:13,440 up your interest in all this or has it 2706 02:03:20,569 --> 02:03:17,269 been pretty steady over the years I 2707 02:03:27,020 --> 02:03:20,579 thought the footage was interesting 2708 02:03:30,169 --> 02:03:27,030 obviously we talked about the stuff in 2709 02:03:32,450 --> 02:03:30,179 San Diego that the tic-tac yep but for 2710 02:03:35,689 --> 02:03:32,460 me what was more interesting wasn't the 2711 02:03:38,180 --> 02:03:35,699 footage you know I still really want to 2712 02:03:42,259 --> 02:03:38,190 see a nice clear shot of these guys 2713 02:03:45,379 --> 02:03:42,269 it was the reaction of the pilot and the 2714 02:03:49,580 --> 02:03:45,389 tower it was their banter back and forth 2715 02:03:51,259 --> 02:03:49,590 that was super telling that to me you 2716 02:03:55,549 --> 02:03:51,269 know here's someone that has been on you 2717 02:03:57,379 --> 02:03:55,559 know countless missions been flying on a 2718 02:03:59,899 --> 02:03:57,389 long time knows all the different planes 2719 02:04:02,720 --> 02:03:59,909 that are out there they have to they're 2720 02:04:05,299 --> 02:04:02,730 experts and and for them to see 2721 02:04:08,750 --> 02:04:05,309 something that's moving in a way that 2722 02:04:11,740 --> 02:04:08,760 shouldn't is is phenomenal I mean that 2723 02:04:14,029 --> 02:04:11,750 to me is is the proof that I'm you know 2724 02:04:15,709 --> 02:04:14,039 that I'm looking at is the human 2725 02:04:18,620 --> 02:04:15,719 experience of someone who's witnessing 2726 02:04:20,750 --> 02:04:18,630 this because it's murky footage so the 2727 02:04:23,600 --> 02:04:20,760 person who's there man on the street or 2728 02:04:28,629 --> 02:04:23,610 woman on the street that to me is is is 2729 02:04:30,680 --> 02:04:28,639 you know appealing and and so that to me 2730 02:04:34,129 --> 02:04:30,690 legitimized it more than anything else 2731 02:04:36,379 --> 02:04:34,139 actually for me alrighty then let's wrap 2732 02:04:38,419 --> 02:04:36,389 this up folks at Dien thank you so very 2733 02:04:40,009 --> 02:04:38,429 much for coming on with us it was a 2734 02:04:42,799 --> 02:04:40,019 blast I had a great time talking I 2735 02:04:44,509 --> 02:04:42,809 really did and be happy to send you some 2736 02:04:45,150 --> 02:04:44,519 links if you want to stay up on what's 2737 02:04:47,400 --> 02:04:45,160 happening with 2738 02:04:49,920 --> 02:04:47,410 News a couple really good sources to 2739 02:04:52,730 --> 02:04:49,930 stay up on and I'll get that off to you 2740 02:04:56,550 --> 02:04:52,740 and thanks so very much again and 2741 02:04:58,880 --> 02:04:56,560 pleasure absolutely absolutely and chant 2742 02:05:03,150 --> 02:04:58,890 again thanks for coming on and 2743 02:05:05,850 --> 02:05:03,160 co-hosting with me here today and you 2744 02:05:08,430 --> 02:05:05,860 got anything for us on the way out no I 2745 02:05:09,780 --> 02:05:08,440 just go ahead that's as you say you 2746 02:05:13,590 --> 02:05:09,790 asked me what I'm going to have for 2747 02:05:15,590 --> 02:05:13,600 dinner so you know what are you gonna 2748 02:05:19,140 --> 02:05:15,600 have for dinner Dean we want to know I 2749 02:05:20,970 --> 02:05:19,150 am thinking a nice pesto chicken with 2750 02:05:21,750 --> 02:05:20,980 maybe a little pasta and steamed 2751 02:05:26,850 --> 02:05:21,760 vegetables 2752 02:05:28,260 --> 02:05:26,860 we'll see how ambitious I get well I'll 2753 02:05:30,600 --> 02:05:28,270 tell you what I'm gonna have on my 2754 02:05:33,870 --> 02:05:30,610 understanding is that dessert is always 2755 02:05:36,690 --> 02:05:33,880 best first so I'm probably gonna have a 2756 02:05:42,690 --> 02:05:36,700 chocolate cake with a Guinness beer and 2757 02:05:44,460 --> 02:05:42,700 then if there's maybe any steak left 2758 02:05:45,950 --> 02:05:44,470 over because I have a big family there 2759 02:05:51,780 --> 02:05:45,960 in front down right now you are 2760 02:05:55,080 --> 02:05:51,790 officially my backup girlfriend through 2761 02:05:58,020 --> 02:05:55,090 the stomach I'm like that's oh that's a 2762 02:06:00,990 --> 02:05:58,030 that's a spread steak and potatoes kind 2763 02:06:02,910 --> 02:06:01,000 of person I am yeah but I have to have 2764 02:06:05,310 --> 02:06:02,920 dessert first because my understanding 2765 02:06:07,260 --> 02:06:05,320 is it's always good to have dessert 2766 02:06:08,910 --> 02:06:07,270 first before eating it's good it's 2767 02:06:10,170 --> 02:06:08,920 better for the body I don't know what 2768 02:06:10,590 --> 02:06:10,180 you and my girlfriend we'll get along 2769 02:06:11,970 --> 02:06:10,600 great 2770 02:06:14,630 --> 02:06:11,980 she does the same thing I'm like what 2771 02:06:18,240 --> 02:06:14,640 are you doing it's a cupcake come on oh 2772 02:06:20,510 --> 02:06:18,250 yeah alright I feel I feel very lucky I 2773 02:06:23,940 --> 02:06:20,520 don't really gain weight that fast so I 2774 02:06:26,250 --> 02:06:23,950 feel you know very lucky enough that no 2775 02:06:33,660 --> 02:06:26,260 one likes a braggart okay okay no I'm 2776 02:06:36,420 --> 02:06:33,670 gonna brag all right so right thanks 2777 02:06:38,340 --> 02:06:36,430 again Dean and thanks for joining us 2778 02:06:39,870 --> 02:06:38,350 everybody we're gonna turn it back 2779 02:06:42,690 --> 02:06:39,880 around to do it all again all over 2780 02:06:45,540 --> 02:06:42,700 tomorrow with dr. Diana's pessoa so 2781 02:06:47,580 --> 02:06:45,550 author of American cosmic I got to throw 2782 02:06:49,800 --> 02:06:47,590 that in there so I'd be sure to tune in